Commons:Deletion requests/Fictional Cuban Province Flags

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Fictional Cuban Province Flags

It's been a long while since I've created a deletion request and this is my first on Wikimedia Commons so please forgive any mistakes. Today on this Vexilology forum someone posted a link to a flag that they encountered on Wikimedia Common that was purported to be the official flag of the province of Isla de la Juventud. Post: https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/ld76u2/today_i_found_out_that_the_flag_of_the_isla_de_la/gm4aio9/ However, a moderator of the forum points out that this flag was made by a non-Cuban as part of a series of proposed or aspirational flags and provided further proof from the official page of the Government of the province that there is no evidence of an official flag. The moderator traced the original images back to a post on a live journal page which marks the images as proposals. http://cayito0611533059.blogspot.com/2012/06/cuba-banderas-provinciales_03.html

And further in the comments section: "Esas banderas provinciales son todas inventadas y no dan cuenta real del trabajo que se está haciendo para rescatar el patrimonio heráldico y vexilológico de Cuba. El escudo de armas de Las Tunas no es un escudo provincial, sino únicamente de la ciudad de Las Tunas. Lo mismo pasa con la bandera de la ciudad de Cienfuegos, que aquí nos venden como bandera provincial, cuando no es así. Pertenece únicamente a la capital provincial. Hay un nuevo libro de Maikel Arista-Salado que se titula "Los Escudos Cívicos de Cuba". Creo que deberían leérselo para tomar nota de nuestra simbología cívica y actualizar la página."

(Google Translation: These provincial flags are all invented and do not give a real account of the work that is being done to rescue the heraldic and vexillological heritage of Cuba. The coat of arms of Las Tunas is not a provincial coat of arms, but only of the city of Las Tunas. The same happens with the flag of the city of Cienfuegos, which is sold here as a provincial flag, when it is not. It belongs only to the provincial capital. There is a new book by Maikel Arista-Salado entitled "Los Escudos Cívicos de Cuba". I think they should read it to you to take note of our civic symbology and refresh the page.)

The book referenced in this post "Los Escudos Cívicos de Cuba" by Maikel Arista-Salado has no mentions of these flags: https://dialnet.unirioja.es/descarga/articulo/3016552.pdf

These proposed / aspirational / redesign flags designs are common in vexillological circles often are mistaken for actual flags. One particular user involved in uploading these images, Santiago_RD, has uploaded past fictional flags to the commons in the past and they have been deleted before. History here: Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Fictitious flags of municipalities of the Dominican Republic

--Kunzite (talk) 05:49, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Oh wow, my bad. I just seen they had uploaded png versions and I made some into svgs. I dully apologise and support this DR. --Cookieman1.1.1 (talk) 16:34, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Thanks for cleaning up some of those those funky bitmap flags. --Kunzite (talk) 09:21, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Santiago_RD Response from the comment page: "I have stated before in the description of the files I have made that these are not official flags, that these are proposals, therefore they should be labeled as such. Deleting these files is meaningless in my opinion, the better solution would be to just re-label the flags that have not been labeled as proposed flags to proposed flags. The people who use my work on pages to paint it as an actual flag have obviously not read the description, in fact, I removed some of them off the page myself but some people, usually ones who do not have an account on wikipedia, ended up posting them on the page again, thankfully another user removed them from the pages." Commons_talk:Deletion_requests/Fictional_Cuban_Province_Flags --Kunzite (talk) 09:21, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - It's just another case of how the Wikipedia cycle can damage vexillology. People don't read or understand what they are reading, so that many fictional flags end up being used (added) to wiki articles (in all wiki languages) as if they were the flag of the place.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 12:15, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment : I agree that fictionnal emblems should have no place here (if it were to me, the whole "arms of micronations" category would be removed). But unfortunately, some of the files are in use and therefore considered as in scope. Kathisma (talk) 16:00, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm author of several files and I agree to delete them. It's better than Wikipedia was empty of fictionnal emblems. I don't have any reference of what I have done. NACLE (talk) 17:17, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also delete This one also and probably others have been recreated into .svg and should be deleted. *File:Flag of the Artemisa Province(proposal).svg--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 18:17, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Eloquent Peasant: @Kunzite: Please Note: I have deleted the only ones that are actually eligible right now. All the folks who want these deleted also need to replace them as most of these are "in use." Please ping me when you have replaced all these with valid images. Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:32, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ellin Beltz: All of these are no longer in use. Re: replacing them with valid images, from what I've read on this discussion these are invented / made up / proposed by someone so there is nothing to replace them with. Thanks much.

There is also this one which was made into .svg *File:Flag of the Artemisa Province(proposal).svg . Thanks.. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 23:47, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ellin Beltz: I was reading this request for a hoaxer who uploads fakes flags and has been doing it for years (and doesn't respond to comments.--> Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Fictitious flags of municipalities of the Dominican Republic So I guess there's just no way to stop userswho continually upload hoax / fake flags. Santiago_RD --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 11:48, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination & discussion below. --Ellin Beltz (talk) 13:50, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]