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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of LAM Mozambique Airlines destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, plain logic

Logic is failed because this is supposed to be a list of place LAM flew to in February 2021, but instead is largely a list of places that LAM wasn't flying to in February 2021, as is indicated by the majority of them being listed as "terminated". Without these the list would be quite short and redundant given the coverage already on the LAM Mozambique Airlines page. Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own historical research about where an airline used to fly to.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations ever flown to, however briefly, are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO. The listing also includes original research since services are claimed to have been terminated or still operated in February 2021 without any source explicitly saying so, based on comparison of decades-old timetables.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is sourced entirely to the company website, press releases, old LAM timetables, the Aeroroutes.com blog, and old copies of Flight International's world airline directory. The website and other company publications are clearly not independent of the topic, nor is the directory since it was written entirely using material from the airline. Additionally the directory simply listed the details of every airline regardless of notability making it an indiscriminate source, the equivalent of a Yellow Pages listing. Finally Flight International is trade-press coverage and the listing of destinations provided in it is not significant coverage since it is a single-paragraph bare listing without commentary. Sources that clearly pass WP:ORGIND are needed, but none are present FOARP (talk) 12:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Czech Airlines#Destinations without prejudice against merger. With only one !vote to keep this as a standalone page (as the only option), and no valid objection to the broadly supported ATD, redirect/merge is the obvious result here. Discussion on the target's Talk page may proceed on what content, if any, should be merged. Owen× ☎ 06:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Czech Airlines destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, plain logic

Logic is failed because this is a largely a list of places that Czech Airlines wasn't flying to in February 2024, as is indicated by the overwhelming majority of them being listed as "terminated". Czech Airlines only flew to four destinations in February 2024, all of which are already mentioned on the Czech Airlines page, making this page redundant. Anyone asserting that these "terminated" destinations are of historical interest needs to show historical sourcing for that (i.e., historical journal, history book etc.) - Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own historical research about where an airline used to fly.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations ever flown to, however briefly, are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is largely sourced to old timetables published by the airline (e.g., this one), or to the company website, or to run-of-the-mill articles based on company press-releases and statements and trade-press coverage or local-news failing WP:AUD. Additionally, many of the links are 404, making them fail verifiability. Sources that clearly pass WP:ORGIND are needed, but none are present nor could I find any. FOARP (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep/merge It continues to be false that this falls under NOTCATLOGUE, as this is not used as a resource for conducting business, particularly if they're about to cease conducting business! The mere fact that people can be informed about the company's operations does not make it a business resource, nor are products and services broadly forbidden. A basic list of two countries and four continents is not a replacement of the information. The article needs more sources, but there is adequate coverage of the airline's operations to include its destinations here or in the main article. A link being dead does not mean the fact itself is impossible to verify or the whole article must be deleted. Listing former destination is not indiscrimination, but that could call for modifications rather than complete deletion. Reywas92Talk 13:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This airline literally only flew to four destinations "As of February 2024". What is the point of listing places it possibly used to fly to at some point, but didn't fly to in Feb 2024, based on original research in primary sources? If the answer is "because of historical importance", then where are the historians covering this topic? PS - see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Air Malta destinations which recently closed as delete, which also covered an airline whose destinations were all "terminated", and where you made substantially the same arguments. FOARP (talk) 13:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - To expand on the WP:OR issue discussed above, take the listing of Tirana as a "Terminated" destination on this page. This is cited to a 1966 pamphlet issued by the airline, but that surely doesn't support a claim that the destination was "terminated" in February 2024? In fact there's no way to reach that conclusion with this data, because even if Tirana isn't included in Czech Airlines' current services, there's a bunch of different reasons why that might be so that don't involve them previously having gone there but now having terminated the service, including errors in the original claim (or the later claim that they don't fly there), Tirana having been a destination they planned to go to but never went to, Tirana being part of a wider network, and the flight still being operated.
In fact, according to the airline website, Czech Airlines do still fly to Tirana.
Now this might seem like a minor, one-off error, but in fact this entire list was largely assembled using the same approach of synthesising primary sources to reach a conclusion that they don't actually support. Moreover this is repeated across the entire corpus of airline-destination articles as a whole. FOARP (talk) 13:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Final relist. Both a Merge and Redirect have been mentioned during this discussion, do these options have any support?
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  • Comment - I'm OK with redirection or merger, with a preference for redirection as the relevant content is already in the main article to the extent that it's WP:DUE. Overall favour deletion above both. FOARP (talk) 08:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination, various WP:not violations ‹hamster717🐉› (discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠) 15:53, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep/Merge We should merge these information into the airline's article, as per others said,they don't violate it, in addition, we need to stop trying to have airlines destinations list deleted because Wikipedia is the only place that has these information, it is a big mistake that the other ones got deleted, especially the one for Lufthansa, United Airlines and American Airlines, if we really don't need these to exist as a article, we should have merged the airlines destinations list into the airline article itself, a pity that the ones that got deleted was no longer available.... Metrosfan (talk) 14:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 01:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of LATAM Brasil destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, plain logic

Logic is failed because this is in large part a list of places that LATAM Brasil wasn't regularly flying to in January 2024, as is indicated by many of them being listed as "terminated"/seasonal or as not being operated by LATAM Brazil. The destinations flown to by LATAM Brasil are already adequately summarised in LATAM Airlines Brasil#Destinations, and their historical development is already discussed at LATAM Airlines Brasil#History, meaning this page is redundant. Wikipedia is not the place to seek to publish original historical research about where Airlines used to fly.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations ever flown to, however briefly, are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is largely unsourced, and has been since at least 2015, but the part that is sourced is sourced to the company website, enthusiast blogs like Routesonline, or to run-of-the-mill articles based on company press-releases and statements and trade-press coverage. Additionally, many of the links are 404, making them fail verifiability. Sources that clearly pass WP:ORGIND are needed, but none are present.

For the same reasons I am also nominating List of LATAM Perú destinations which suffers from all of the same problems. FOARP (talk) 10:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep/merge It continues to be false that this falls under NOTCATLOGUE, as this is not used as a resource for conducting business. The mere fact that people can be informed about the company's operations does not make it a business resource, nor are products and services broadly forbidden. A basic list of two countries and four continents is not a replacement of the information. The article needs more sources, but there is adequate coverage of the airline's operations to include its destinations here or in the main article. A link being dead does not mean the fact itself is impossible to verify or the whole article must be deleted. Listing former destination is not indiscrimination, but that could call for modifications rather than complete deletion. Reywas92Talk 13:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This a is substantially the same information as the company publishes themselves, as is indicated by the use of the company website and company publications/press-releases as the source for them. Simply transcribing that on to Wiki is reproducing a catalogue, and indiscriminate. I note that you don’t cite even a single source to address the NCORP issues. FOARP (talk) 06:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - to expand on the original research issues raised in the nom, let's take the listing of Caracas as a "terminated" destination. This is cited to a 404 link to a May 2016 article on the Airlineroutes.com blog, which apparently was titled "LATAM Gradually Ends Venezuela Service late-May 2016". Setting aside that this is a WP:V fail because it's 404, and a low-quality source, instantly you can see that this is problematic because the service was described as "gradually" ending at some point in the future by routesonline.com, without any indication that it did end, nor is there any indication that the service wasn't being operated in January 2024. In actual fact LATAM Brasil are selling flights from Caracas right now on their website and probably were in January as well.
This is exactly the kind of problem you would expect to get when you synthesise primary sources through original research and exactly the reason why it is something we do not do on Wikipedia, yet it is used throughout this article and indeed in every airline destination-list article. FOARP (talk) 13:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, various WP:NOT violations. Rosbif73 (talk) 06:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:NOTDB. Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a mirror of airline databases like FlightConnections.com. Sunnya343 (talk) 17:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    FlightConnections is a great site, so I assume you'll be adding this link to LATAM Airlines Brasil if this list is deleted? If this commercial website is an adequate replacement, do you support using it to cite LATAM Airlines Brasil#Destinations and other airline pages? However, Wikipedia is still welcome to have content that may be found elsewhere, with its wikilinks providing navigation and the opportunity for other context. Reywas92Talk 17:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see no problem with citing flight schedule aggregators like FlightConnections to describe in the parent article where the airline operates. The data are the same whether they're coming straight from the airline or compiled by a third-party site. Sunnya343 (talk) 23:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep WP:NOT doesn't actually apply here. It's not a catalogue as it's not promotional, where an airline flies is necessary and encyclopedic to understanding the airline's scope, and it's sourced well enough that we're able to have it on the site. There are 23 sources at the moment, only one of which is to the airline's website, so the "largely unsourced" is battleground language, and there's an attempt to exclude the number of news sites and blogs which significantly cover airline routes from ever being reliable, which is incorrect. SportingFlyer T·C 17:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete it doesn't matter that it is non-promotional, it can still be a non-notable catalog. Delete per nom. Also fails to be significantly discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources. --Bejnar (talk) 20:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 08:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Aeromar destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, plain logic

Logic is failed because this is a largely a list of places that Aeromar wasn't flying to in January 2023, as is indicated by the overwhelming majority of them being listed as "terminated". Since all of the destinations that were active in January 2023 are mentioned on the Aeromar page, this page is redundant. Anyone asserting that these "terminated" destinations are of historical interest needs to show historical (i.e., historical journal, history book etc.) interest for that.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations ever flown to, however briefly, are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is entirely sourced either to the company website or to run-of-the-mill articles based on company press-releases and statements and trade-press coverage or local-news failing WP:AUD. Additionally, many of the links are 404, making them fail verifiability. Sources that clearly pass WP:ORGIND are needed, but none are present nor could I find any. FOARP (talk) 10:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎ and no indication further input is forthcoming Star Mississippi 02:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RMA Gold Airways

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I am nominating the Wikipedia article on RMA Gold Airways for deletion because it violates several key Wikipedia policies, particularly those related to notability, verifiability, and neutrality. RMA Gold Airways never operated any aircraft, had no crew, and failed to launch its proposed services, meaning it did not achieve any significant presence or impact in the aviation industry. According to Wikipedia's notability guidelines, a subject must receive significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources to merit an article, which this airline lacks. The article relies primarily on newspaper sources that provide speculative and critical commentary, with some citations explicitly referring to the airline as "pretend." This raises concerns about verifiability and neutrality, as the article gives undue weight to an entity that never existed in a functional capacity.

Furthermore, retaining this article violates Wikipedia's What Wikipedia is not policy, specifically the sections that prohibit hosting content about subjects that do not meet notability criteria and that function as promotion. The article presents unverified and speculative content, making it more akin to advertising for an unrealised venture rather than an encyclopaedic entry. By not deleting this article, Wikipedia risks breaching its own policies designed to maintain the quality and reliability of its content. Therefore, I recommend that the article be deleted. Ansett (talk) 23:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 21:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

East African Air

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I haven't found any sources, and the sources only show an 404 error. And the doing research I only find articles about an private airline from Kenya, so it's probably a hoax. Protoeus (talk) 21:12, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. I don't know about other, previous AFDs but there is a clear consensus here for Deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 07:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Luxair destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP. Redundant.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company on a randomly-selected date (January 2023) of no significance. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations ever flown to, however briefly, are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO. That this is so is clearly indicated by the labelling of many services as "seasonal" (i.e., these were not actually destinations served in January 2023, but are anyway included).

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources required by WP:ORGIND. Instead the article is almost entirely cited to Luxair's website, trade press (see WP:TRADES), and local news reports (which fail WP:AUD) about company announcements and press-conferences. See also WP:MILL and WP:ORGTRIV - reports of the opening and closing of business locations and services are just run-of-the-mill trivia.

The page is redundant because the development of Luxair's services, to the extent that the subject is encyclopaedic, is already very adequately summarised in Luxair#History. FOARP (talk) 07:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 02:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of IrAero destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is entirely sourced either to the company website or to run-of-the-mill articles based on company press-releases and statements and trade-press coverage. Additionally, many of the links are 404, making them fail verifiability.

The IrAero page is also nominated, also for failing WP:NCORP. The only source that is not the company website or trade-press is a single report by TASS, but this is a report based entirely on a press-release from the company and is a run of the mill report about building a hangar. Multiple instances of significant coverage in reliable, third-party, independent sources are required to WP:NCORP, but there is not even one cited in the article nor does a quick search find any. FOARP (talk) 16:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swissôtel Amsterdam

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Google news search yields hardly anything. 2 of the 3 sources merely confirm winning a non notable award, in any case the sources are primary. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 23:23, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(supports notability) Stadsnieuws. DE NIEUWE LUNCHROOM. "Het nieuws van den dag : kleine courant". Amsterdam, 11-05-1901, p. 3. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 06-08-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010128190:mpeg21:p003
(supports notability) Lunchroom. "De Tijd : godsdienstig-staatkundig dagblad". 's-Hertogenbosch, 12-05-1901, p. 6. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 06-08-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010407942:mpeg21:p006
(data only, not notability) Vervolg Nieuwstijdingen. STADSNIEUWS St-Nicolaas-wandelingen.. "De Tijd : godsdienstig-staatkundig dagblad". 's-Hertogenbosch, 05-12-1896, p. 4. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 06-08-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010991206:mpeg21:p004
(data only, not notability) Stadsnieuws. Officieele Kennisgeving.. "Het nieuws van den dag : kleine courant". Amsterdam, 10-04-1901, p. 10. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 06-08-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010128163:mpeg21:p010
gidonb (talk) 07:02, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please translate these? LibStar (talk) 07:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just stick it in auto translate. Like any other editor. No need to reply to every opinion that makes a different proposal. Each respondent will reach their own conclusion. Of course, I thoroughly read the intro, and had already taken it into full account when drawing my own conclusions. gidonb (talk) 14:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are images of newspaper clips so can't stick them in autotranslate. " No need to reply to every opinion that makes a different proposal." I am merely seeking clarification which is permitted. LibStar (talk) 00:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Tekst" on the right hand side will open the article after OCR. gidonb (talk) 13:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(data only, not notability) AMSTERDAM. "De morgenpost". Amsterdam, 02-08-1902, p. 2. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 06-08-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMSAA06:165560029:mpeg21:p00002
Notability supporting new RS: [2][3][4][5]. Do note that the range of coverage is 2021-1896=125 years. gidonb (talk) 01:06, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, my friend! Not sure what you mean with "some brief coverage in the local media". Nieuws van den Dag was distributed in all of North Holland and carried national and international news. De Tijd was a national newspaper, then merged into a leading news magazine. Also national. AD is a national newspaper, the second-largest of the Netherlands. If it hasn't passed De Telegraaf, the largest. While Het Parool comes closest, it is distributed in the Amsterdam region and also carries international and national news. Still a regional newspaper, formerly national. FD is also a national newspaper. The six articles that I indicated in these newspapers are not short either. The list is not conclusive at all. Three other articles are short, yet important for whomever wants to integrate sources in the entry, so I added them anyway and clearly flagged these here as "data only, not notability". gidonb (talk) 04:30, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like any other editor. No need to reply to every opinion that makes a different proposal. Each respondent will reach their own conclusion. LibStar (talk) 09:21, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For sure :-) gidonb (talk) 14:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 12:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. The sources found by gidonb (talk · contribs).
    2. Here are some English-language sources I found:
      1. "travel42 Hotel Review: Swissotel Amsterdam". Travel Weekly. Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.

        The review notes: "This hotel is as central as one could hope for, plunked down on one of the city's busiest byways, in the shopping district, steps from the Royal Palace and Dam Square (Amsterdam's version of Times Square—without all the lights), and a short walk from the rail station and Amsterdam's famous cannabis cafes. From the outside no one would ever guess this to be a clockwork-efficient Swissotel, but it is one of the best business lodges in the city, though its casual..."

      2. Frommer's reviews:
        1. Legarde, Lisa (1995) [1981]. Frommer's Comprehensive Travel Guide: Amsterdam (8 ed.). New York: Macmillan Publishers. p. 69. ISBN 0-02-860459-8. ISSN 0899-3181. Retrieved 2024-08-12 – via Internet Archive.

          The review notes: "If you like to stay at elegant, small hotels wherever you travel in Europe, you'll be pleased by the Swissôtel Amsterdam Ascot. Opened in 1987, this hotel, like so many in Amsterdam, was built anew within the walls of a group of traditional canal-house buildings. The location is superb, just footsteps off Dam Square and directly across from De Bijenkorf department store. The service is personal and thoughtful, guest rooms are large and quiet (thanks to double-glazed windows), and the baths are fully tiled in marble. You'll have to go elsewhere to find a health club or a hairdresser. But aren't these all the reasons why you choose a hotel such as this one? Dining/Entertainment: Le Bistro (see Chapter 5 for details) has the ambience of an intimate bistro. Services: 24-hour room service. Facilities: Newsstand, souvenir shop, jewelry shop."

          The review notes about Swissôtel Amsterdam's Le Bistro Suisse: "Just off Dam Square, down a small alleyway that leads off the Damrak, you'll find Le Bistro Suisse. Even though it's the restaurant of the Swiss-owned Ascot, it looks like a bit of Paris dropped into the heart of Amsterdam. Dark woods and crisp white linens give a semiformal yet warm feeling to the place, and a newspaper rack with papers on wooden braces invites you to linger if you're dining alone. The menu is varied to suit a variety of appetites and budgets. To start you might try the famous Swiss Rösti (shredded baked potato) with different toppings, then choose an elaborate French dish to follow. Or try the chef's special wild boar steak."

        2. McDonald, George (2001). Garcia, Matthew (ed.). Frommer's Amsterdam (11 ed.). New York: Hungry Minds. p. 62. ISBN 0-7645-6264-9. ISSN 0899-3181. Retrieved 2024-08-12 – via Internet Archive.

          The review notes: "If you like to stay at elegant, not-too-big hotels wherever you travel in Europe, you'll be pleased by the Swissôtel Amsterdam. Opened in 1987, this hotel, like so many in Amsterdam, was built anew within the walls of a group of traditional canal-house buildings (Damrak was at one time a canal). The location is superb, just footsteps off the Dam and directly across from De Bijenkorf department store. The service is personal and thoughtful, guest rooms are large and quiet, thanks to double-glazed windows; and hair dryers, coffeemakers, and in-house movie channels are standard. The bathrooms are fully tiled in marble. All guest rooms and the lobby have been renovated in the last few years. You have to go elsewhere to find a health club or a hair-dresser, but the Swissôtel offers very good value for money in this prime location. Dining: Olio takes its inspiration from Mediterranean cuisine. Amenities: Concierge, 24-hour room service, dry cleaning and laundry, newspaper delivery, in-room massage, baby-sitting, secretarial services, express checkout, gift shop."

      3. Winkelman, Carol (1997). Travel & Leisure: Amsterdam. New York: Macmillan Publishers. p. 79. ISBN 0-02-860698-1. ISSN 1088-4793. Retrieved 2024-08-12 – via Internet Archive.

        The review notes: "This is one of the better hotels near Dam Square. Although it's in the midst of tourist throngs on the outside, the hotel's interior is calm, tasteful, and immaculate. It is also just around the corner from the Royal Palace and close to shops, restaurants, and cafes of the Jordaan and Prinsengracht neighborhoods. Getting around town is effortless, as most trams stop near the hotel, while excursions can easily be made from Centraal Station, a 5-minute walk away. Rooms are stylish and well-equipped, and although the hotel does not have parking, there is a 24-hour parking garage at the nearby Grand Hotel Krasnapolsky. Proximity to Dam Square may be an asset, but not at night, especially for women alone (see "Safety" in "The Basics"). Amenities: Minibar, air-conditioning, fax and secretarial services available, restaurant, bar, 2 floors of special business rooms with safes, conference space up to 50, 1 room wheelchair accessible."

      4. Wilbur, Luan (1992-04-09). "Tiptoeing through the tulips". Hinckley Times. Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.

        The article notes: "Our next visit was the Swissotel Amsterdam Ascot Hotel where we were greeted by our hosts Erik Delmee, Sales Executive, and Karin van der Zee-Samuels, Director of Sales and Marketing. The hotel was charming and after a tour around some of its finest and most deluxe rooms, I fell in love with the idea of spending a weekend surrounded by the luxury of the Ascot. We entered the hotel's in-house restaurant, "Le Bistro", to sample some of its predominantly French cuisine, and I think I can speak on behalf of everyone in our group when I say that the food was exquisite. And what's more, the cosmopolitan atmosphere of Le Bistro and the hospitality of Karin and Erik, made the lunch stop definitely something to write home about."

      5. Hartford, Mavis (2006-04-16). "Eye-catching Amsterdam". Penticton Western News. Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.

        The article provides two sentences of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "The Swissotel Amsterdam opened in 1987. It is a small luxury hotel built within the walls of a group of old traditional canal-house buildings, where prices start at $172."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Swissôtel Amsterdam to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 01:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hotel reviews may come under WP:PRODUCTREV. From above 5 by Hartford is not significant coverage. I note it says the hotel opened in 1987 when most of gidonb's sources predates this (may further the argument that the building rather than the hotel is notable. Source 1 comes from https://www.travelweekly.com/About-Us , not sure how independent it is. LibStar (talk) 01:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lower part of the original facade of the Berlage-designed Damrak 95-96
  • Comment. This text covers Damrak 95 well: "Al in 1883 was in Amsterdam een Vereeniging tot bevordering van het Vreemdelingenverkeer opgericht. Maar die deed niet veel meer. Uit ergernis daarover werd in 1902 de concurrerende vereniging ’t Koggeschip opgericht, die een inlichtingenbureau opende. Damrak 95 zou tot in de jaren zeventig het adres blijven van de VVV Amsterdam, in 1937 ontstaan uit een fusie van beide verenigingen en tegenwoordig Amsterdam Marketing geheten. Het inlichtingenbureau zat op de eerste verdieping, boven een bijkantoor van de Amsterdamsche Bank en NV Wisselkantoor Amsterdam. Met het oog op het evenementrijke jaar 1913 (o.a. scheepvaarttentoonstelling ENTOS en expositie De Vrouw 1813-1913) gaf ’t Koggeschip eind 1912 in 10.000 exemplaren een Gids van Amsterdam met plattegrond uit."[6] Ons Amsterdam is an independent magazine. We have more sources on Damrak 95. The Bodega/Lunchroom at Damrak 96 is covered in other sources above. No objection to a rename to Damrak 95-96.[7] User:Ruud Buitelaar, do you want to chime in? gidonb (talk) 02:15, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per sources presented in this AFD. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as there is a decent amount of newly added or presented sources within the discussion. --NiftyyyNofteeeee (talk) 10:54, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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