Property talk:P485
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the institution holding the subject's archives
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P485#Value type Q43229, Q5, Q178706, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P485#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P485#Entity types
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P485#Scope, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P485#Item P31, search, SPARQL
Constraint fails when collection (Q2668072) used
editCan someone see the best way to resolve when "archives at" specifies an item that has an instance of collection (Q2668072), eg. target is Constantine Collection (Q28028160). The target is a collection that is housed within an institution, so it seems we need a means to connect the two, as archives in a collection at an organisation will often be most accurate. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:54, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Self-references seem reasonable for archives
editThe constraint report does not like that an organisation's archives may not be housed at the organisation. It seems a reasonable assignation, so is there a means to reflect this in the items? — billinghurst sDrewth 22:56, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
2019-12 partial archive
editCan this property be used for partial archive, and how? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 17:42, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Removing allowed qualifiers constraint
editI see no good reason why this property should have an allowed qualifiers constraint. If anybody sees value in that constraint, please explain. The Source MetaData WikiProject does not exist. Please correct the name. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 19:56, 9 June 2020 (UTC) The Source MetaData/More WikiProject does not exist. Please correct the name. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 19:56, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: Don't see a reason for it either, Support removing it. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 20:33, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose removing it. There are a lot of archiving-specific properties that may be hard to discover without this constraint. At the very least, I'd argue the constraint should be kept to provide autocomplete suggestions for manual input (though it can be set to "deprecated" for that use case). –IagoQnsi (talk) 19:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Reciprocal property?
editShouldn't this property be reciprocal? Meaning that the institution named should have a property such as "Archives contained" where it would list all instances where P485 has named it? - Kosboot (talk) 14:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Was just created 2 days ago: has archives of: Q105285756 - Kosboot (talk) 21:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Kosboot: that is an item, not a property, which is what would be needed. I have requested its deletion. Why do you see that it needs its own property rather than being able to be inferred? — billinghurst sDrewth 06:17, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
Be careful with 'start time' and 'end time'
editIt seems that in some cases, editors are mistakenly adding start time (P580) and end time (P582) to indicate the time period covered by the archives, instead of using start of covered period (P7103) and end of covered period (P7104). This is incorrect usage; when used as qualifiers on this property, P580 and P582 actually indicate the time period during which the archives were available at some institution. To use the Johann Sebastian Bach (Q1339) property example, the qualifier start time (P580)1999-12-31 would indicate that Bach-Archiv Leipzig (Q798038) obtained the archived material in 1999, NOT that the archives include material from 1999 onward.
It seems likely that legitimate uses of P580 and P582 would be fairly rare, as archives don't change hands terribly often (archives are meant to be rather permanent, after all). Thus, I've whipped up a SPARQL query to check for all instances of these qualifiers to allow for checking: WDQS link. –IagoQnsi (talk) 19:52, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Handles, DOIs, etc?
editAny reason this property just takes URLs? Lots of libraries (especially major ones) assign persistent URIs to their archives (see, e.g., https://archives.yale.edu/repositories/12/resources/4519). AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Limiting value to "organization" leaves out things that are instance of "archive"
editOne of the most frequent values for "archives at" statements will be entities that are instance of (P31) archive (Q166118). However, based on how archive (Q166118) are currently defined, they are not parsed as organization - obviously one can add instance of: organization to each archive, or update archives to say that they're all organizations, but perhaps one could just extend it to include archives? Ruthbrarian (talk) 17:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)