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This article has category "Jewish politician". Is there any source that he is Jewish? As I know he is Christian, goes to the chirch.--213.141.142.41 10:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He was not Jewish in the sense of practicing that religion, but his ancestry certainly was. At the moment the article states that he was Jewish only from his mother's side, but this is certainly not entirely true. Both of his paternal grandparents, too, are buried at the Jewish graveyard in Moscow and his paternal grandfather David Israilevich had an obviously Jewish name. Grandmother Anna may have been Russian Orthodox by birth as Nemtsov claimed. For evidence their grave can be viewed here: [1] -89.66.180.105 (talk) 00:20, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yeh .... you mean to say, that the zionist jews living in Israel who are not practising mosaic faith - are not jews? So Trotzky was not a jew or Freud or Jagoda..or...or? C'mon. Get involved into the issue and learn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.112.177.58 (talk) 23:43, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Compared to Vladimir Putin, this guy gets portrayed here as some sort of hero. Margaret Thatcher lauded him? Everybody in Nizhi Novgorod knows the truth about those years.

In fact, when Yeltsin and nemtsov were ruling Russia, they had Andrey Klimentiev sacked as a mayor when in the fraud case against him Klimentiev threatened to spill the beans about the way Nemtsov amassed his fortune. When his party's fortunes started to wane, they even tried to get Boris Yeltsin out of retirement to take the leadership away from Nemtsov who had become a liability: (translation from a Russian newspaper article). --Paul Pieniezny (talk) 09:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Listening to Webster Tarpley's World Crisis Radio on a podcast from January 22, 2011, several interesting facts about Nemtsov is presented, amongst them being that he is being propped up by the US as a presidential candidate to contest Putin in the 2012 elections. __meco (talk) 11:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Whole sections of this article appear to be lifted from this page: [2]

EG:

• 1997 - Nemtsov was appointed First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, with special responsibility for reform of the energy sector. He was widely popular with the public and appeared to be the lead candidate to become President of Russia in 2000. In the summer of 1997, opinion polls gave Mr Nemtsov over 50% support as a potential presidential candidate. His political career, however, suffered a blow in August 1998 following the crash of the Russian stock-market and the ensuing economic crisis. As a part of Chubais' economic team, Nemtsov was forced to resign his position of Deputy Prime Minister.[4] After the dismissal of Prime Minister Chernomyrdin in 1998, Nemtsov was reappointed by Yeltsin to his post of Deputy Prime Minister, but again resigned shortly after when Yeltsin dissolved the government [5].

Or it could be the other way around, I don't know.

Moltovivo (talk) 11:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The page you linked to is now a dead-link. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:50, 31 January 2015 (UTC).

This edit changes the date of death from 27 February to 28 February. Is there any reason for that? -BStarky (talk) 23:59, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Nemtsov: I think there is much freedom of the press, maybe more than in the United States. There are not only liberal viewpoints on Russia's television programs, but also anti- Semitic', fascist, and nationalist viewpoints. Russia has a huge number of independent...

he quoted sematnic freedom to anisemitmitism and 'shot just outside the walls of the Kremlin!' but the shot come from opsite site to the urbi and gorbi window so can we put in the frame ? 99.90.196.227 (talk) 05:12, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason to create a separate article. This article is not so large as to make it needed. See WP:WHENSPLIT. I do not see a size or content reason to split. I hope this can do done speedily. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:50, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article just was created. Let's see how it develops. Therefore, I would oppose merging at this time. I also think this should be "murder" rather than "killing". My very best wishes (talk) 14:13, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see the need, yet, to create the Murder article (and it obviously should be "Murder of Boris Nemtsov"), but there is even less need to delete or merge away that article. This event is much more important in Russia and the entire world other than North America, than the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords, and will be considered important for years to come (at least until the retirement of Putin). There will be an extensive investigation - now led personally by Putin - that will be reported around the world, e.g. on BBC, for years. There will be extensive complaints that the state investigation is a coverup. (Once you've seen one of these Russian political assassinations, you've seen them all, see e.g. Vladislav Listyev - but this is likely the most important one in decades). Smallbones_(smalltalk) 14:41, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Richard-of-Earth: See the Assassination of Anna Politkovskaya. The Killing of Boris Nemtsov is likely to be of similar length, when translated from the Russian version. He was also a former deputy Prime Minister of Russia, and still had years of potential high-level political career ahead of him, therefore of greater consequence than the assassination of Anna Politkovskaya. Depending on one's point of view, this may justify giving the article separate notability, according to WP:WHENSPLIT. EP111 (talk) 15:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it could be good to edit this part as it sounds as if he had 4 children with his wife. But he had only one daughter with her - Zhanna. 2 children he had with a journalist Ekaterina Odintsova (Anton and Dina). His fourth child is Sofia from an affair with his secretary Irina Koroleva. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oksanchic (talk • contribs) 11:43, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

view complete news about his assassination here. Source so wikipedia knows the murderer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.33.229.32 (talk) 17:26, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There are two transliterations in the article. Of course, the father's name must be uniform with its spelling as well. '''tAD''' (talk) 07:12, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There really isn't a "standard" transliteration system, but I'd say that "Yefimovich" is as close to standard as can be expected. Is this the LOC system? Do we have anything in the WP:MOS on this? Smallbones_(smalltalk) 14:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@The Almightey Drill: see Russian alphabet and Ye (Cyrillic) for pronunciation. I would write his patronymic name as Yefimovich, as the cyrillic "E" is at the beginning of the word. Regards, EP111 (talk) 20:34, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change sentence "He was shot and killed in February 2015 for his pro-democracy views on Russia by loyalists of Vladimir Putin on a bridge near the Kremlin and Red Square in Moscow." to "He was shot and killed in February 2015 on a bridge near the Kremlin and Red Square in Moscow." as there is currently no evidence and no reliable sources/citations about: (1) Mr. Nemtsov's "pro-democracy views", (2) Mr. Nemtsov's assassin, (3) link between Vladimir Putin, Mr. Nemtsov's assassin and Mr. Nemtsov's supposed pro-democracy views.

78.102.172.136 (talk) 17:47, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I absolutely agree. This is pure speculation and obviously politically motivated. Optomaniac (talk) 19:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There are obviously two sides being represented here and the article needs to be protected..the statement that there are no sources about his views or that there is no evidence that he was assassinated is not only probably untrue but in itself is politically motivated..this is obvious.

There are only two sides being represented here: the evidence and the propaganda. The article does not need to be protected, in fact it only needs to be properly sourced. Moreover, whole wikipedia should adopt measures preventing such failures, at least in articles linked from the main page. Failing to do so, wikipedia's reputation among serious thinkers will continue to be low. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.113.54.178 (talk) 11:26, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it was added back in, despite the lack of a source, with the rationale of "Well Putin hasn't been exonerated". Really needs to be removed, this is a high-profile article. --74.128.224.174 (talk) 20:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, now there is no longer any mention of Putin having ordered to kill Nemtsow, but it still says that he has been killed for his "pro-democracy view on Russia". There is no evidence for this, it's pure supposition. Optomaniac (talk) 20:54, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• I have removed it from the lede for now. Since many commentators mentioned his views and criticism of Putin, it might be possible to add something like "Many commentators speculate that the assassination is relatated to Nemtsov's pro-democracy views and his vocal criticism of Vladimir Putin." (+ many refs) Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It`s spelled lead..this is English..I see it all the time here usually connected to a reactionary opinion for some reason..this is not the place for discussing Wikipedia policy considering the nature of this event..there are obviously two perspectives being given here opinion and fact..either can be disguised via propaganda and unreliable or false sources.

Also ,the article states that Nemtsov supposedly stated "On 10 February, on a news website, he wrote "I'm afraid Putin will kill me"", nut no source has been given. This should either be confirmed or removed. Optomaniac (talk) 21:06, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Well there is a ref to BBC at the end of this sentence. I have added a direct ref to his Sobesednik interview there Nemtsov said it Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

would info taken from an RT broadcast be legit? VC 02:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I'd use with care, especially in this context. They can be reliable especially if there are no other available sources for a small factual detail, but they have been accused of being controlled by Putin so watch out for spin Elinruby (talk) 05:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Who the hell believes anything Putin says? He is lying about Russian incursions into Ukraine, and Nemtsov was about to expose the lies of this vermin. Putin surely ordered the murder of Nemtsov, just as he has other activists--even reaching into England to kill the activist Alexander Litvinenko (using the nasty poison Polonium). Putin needs to protect his VERY lucrative criminal organization and his drive to emulate the equally murderous Stalin--murder means nothing to this ex-KGB bastard. The world should go much further to isolate Putin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.104.163.83 (talk) 15:40, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason to have this sentence in the lead: "A dramatic news photo showed his body 'by accident or design theatrically placed' with the Kremlin and a lighted Saint Basil's Cathedral behind." And even if it did belong, it would be nice to link to the article mentioned. Fnordware (talk) 20:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• I concur and removed the sentence about photo. Alex Bakharev (talk) 20:47, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]