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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:10, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This edit is to notify you that I have added our discussion to the list of requests for a third opinion over at WP:3. Peter Folsaph (talk) 21:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding [1]. If you read the two articles, you will see that Li Xiuzhen does not dispute the quote from the BBC article: she did say "We now think the Terracotta Army, the acrobats and the bronze sculptures found on site were inspired by ancient Greek sculptures and art" [2], so this quote stands in its own right, and she was probably recorded on tape saying it. What she specifically claims in the China Daily article after that is that some of her other points were left out by the BBC, specifically the fact that she disputes that "a Greek sculptor may have been at the site to train the locals" [3]. That's all: it does not contradict the first statement at all, it just completes it. She is certainly not claiming that the BBC lied about her initial statement: it was properly and accurately reported. We shouldn't fall for the propaganda from "China Daily" and its sensationalistic title ("...refutes BBC report") and insinuate that she disowned her statements to the BBC, because this is clearly not the case when you actually read the two articles. To be fully accurate we should simply report what she said to the BBC and what she said to the China Daily. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 12:51, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, the sentence specifically reads that she "acknowledged possible Western influence but insisted on Chinese authorship", the "Chinese authorship" part is not in the BBC source. She specifically said that the BBC overstated their case and ignored the points she made in her interview, so it is inappropriate to use a source that she is disputing, especially when the sentence stressed Chinese authorship. Hzh (talk) Hzh (talk) 13:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ChinaDaily is hardly considered as a WP:Reliable source, and should only be used carefully and taking into account its nationalistic and propagandistic approach [4]. On the contrary, the BBC is WP:RS and should have priority on Wikipedia. There is a very high probability that the ChinaDaily reporting here is tainted by nationalistic considerations. Li Xiuzhen was probably reprimanded, and had to backtrack by saying something like "not all my arguments were presented by the BBC", and ChinaDaily spinned it into "...refutes BBC report". Given the poor record of the ChinaDaily, we should at the very least present the BBC reporting, and only cautiously balance it with the ChinaDaily reporting, without adopting its partisan spin. The fact is that Li Xiuzhen courageously did not retract her statements to the BBC about foreign inspiration, so they stand. On a different plane, she only added complementary statements about final manufacturing/authorship in the ChinaDaily interview, which, adroitly enough, does not contradict her initial statement about influences. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 13:47, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are making a few errors there. I'll come back to that sentence, which is about possible Western influence but also Chinese authorship. As written, there is nothing about Chinese authorship in the BBC source, therefore using it to support the two points made is wrong. Also as written, it is presented as if it is a single quote when originally there were from two from different sources, and that fails WP:SYNTH because no such quote existed. If you use China Daily as the only source, then the entire quote is there. In any case, the older quote also changed the China Daily quote to make it appear like a single quote, which makes your complaint about not changing quote odd, because you reverted it to something that is not in the source.

If you don't like the China Daily source, then you can delete the entire sentence. You cannot use the BBC source alone because she disputed what the BBC said, she was in effect saying that the BBC misrepresented her by using only selective quote and conflating it with someone else's view that's not hers. It is not up to you to say whether she was reprimanded or not, because that would be OR. Hzh (talk) 14:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's simple, and I think we can find some reasonnable common ground: BBC is WP:RS so we can follow them. As for ChinaDaily, their progandistic interpretation is not RS, only the statements by Li Xiuzhen can be taken at face value. The following sentences become a bit cluncky, but should reflect our concerns and leave aside the political polemics by simply stricking to the facts:

In a BBC interview, Li Xiuzhen, senior archaeologist from the Mausoleum Site Museum, acknowledged possible Western influences, stating: "we now think the Terracotta Army, the acrobats and the bronze sculptures found on site were inspired by ancient Greek sculptures and art".^[1] In a later ChinaDaily interview, she also insisted on Chinese authorship, asserting that "the terracotta warriors may be inspired by Western culture, but were uniquely made by the Chinese", and that she "found no Greek names on the backs of Terracotta Warriors, which supports [my] idea that there was no Greek artisan training the local sculptors".^[2]

पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 14:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no attachment to the statement, just noting that you were wrong to revert the edit by someone else (they did not change any quote, only deleted the BBC quote as appropriate to how the sentence was written, and corrected the China Daily quote). It will always be problematic if you consider China Daily unreliable, and in this case, you cannot use BBC alone without China Daily because how she disputed how her quote was used by the BBC. I would also shortened her later response to "she later clarified that". Hzh (talk) 15:35, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Singh et al's article was downloaded as PDF from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10514440/pdf/main.pdf

And uploaded to chatpdf.com for AI to analyse and interpret the research findings.

www.chatpdf.com is an AI Tool that can accurately scan the PDF document and highlight important points. This was its conclusion

"1. The study analyzed the genetic data of Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils, revealing a close genetic affinity between the Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils, irrespective of their linguistic differences. 2. Genetic analysis indicated a significant genetic homogeneity between the Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils, likely due to long-term geographic proximity facilitating substantial gene flow. 3. The research identified traces of common genetic ancestry between the Sinhalese and the Maratha population, suggesting shared roots through fine-grained genetic analysis. 4. Despite linguistic distinctions, the genetic analysis of the Sinhalese population adds a significant chapter to the genetic landscape of South Asia. 5. The study highlighted the presence of excess sharing of smaller genetic segments between the Sinhalese and the Maratha, indicating a deeply rooted common genetic ancestry. 6. While the D statistics test showed non-significant results, the genetic data supported a closer genetic relationship between the Sinhalese and the Maratha population. 7. The genetic analysis of the Sinhalese population provides valuable insights into the population history of Sri Lanka, showcasing a unique genetic heritage. 8. The study emphasized the need for more ancient DNA research and Y chromosomal sequencing to determine migration timelines and further understand the genetic history of the Sinhalese. 9. The genetic homogeneity observed among the Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils challenges conventional notions of genetic differentiation based on linguistic affiliations in South Asia. 10. Overall, the research underscores the complex interplay of genetic, linguistic, and historical factors shaping the genetic landscape of the Sinhalese population in Sri Lanka.

The following question was also asked to the AI tool

Q. does this research indicate a higher gene flow to Sinhalese from northern India or southern India?

AI's answer : - The research indicates a higher genetic affinity of the Sinhalese population with North Indian populations rather than South Indian populations. Genetic analysis of the Sinhalese suggests a closer relationship with North Indian populations, supporting the hypothesis of a North Indian origin for the Sri Lankan Sinhalese

PAGE 3, SINGH ET AL 2023, 4TH PARAGRAPH https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10514440/pdf/main.pdf

" However, we have found slightly higher gene flow (but non-significant) from some North and Northwest Indian than the South Indian populations"(Table S2)

Based on the findings stated by Singh Et al i 2023 research, META79 is incorrect stating higher South Indian gene flow to Sinhalese in the genetics section of Sinhalese people.

'THE ARTICLE IN WIKIPEDIA ON SINHALESE STATING THERE WAS HIGHER GENE FLOW FROM SOUTH INDIA TO SINHALESE POPULATION IS INCORRECT. PLEASE CORRECT THE GENETICS SECTION AND THE INTRODUCTORY SECTION TO REFLECT HIGHER GENE FLOW FROM NORTH INDIA

' Gabrielasirwatham (talk) 06:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't write the same thing here and in the talk page of the article. Response should be given there. Hzh (talk) 13:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you. Hzh (talk) 14:56, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]