Wikidata:Property proposal/date de vote

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

To help distinguish votes/votations/referendums/laws between announcement date (P6949) effective date (P7588) and date of promulgation (P7589) and publication date (P577)Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 05:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Astinson (WMF) (talk) 14:08, 29 October 2019 (UTC) Dr Isaac Andy (talk) 05:08, 29 January 2020 (UTC) Albert Villanova del Moral (talk) 16:04, 4 November 2019 (UTC) John Samuel (talk) JoranL (talk) 22:26, 30 November 2019 (UTC) Rajeeb ^(talk!) 14:04, 23 December 2019 (UTC) Tris T7 ^{TT me}[reply]
Zblace (talk) 11:42, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Human rights Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 05:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Law Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 05:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Given that there are going to be a lot of expections I don't think a single value constraint is a good idea. Many modern elections allow people to cast their ballets before polls open via mail-in voting. The current description would suggest that all dates where mail-in voting was acting would be a "date de vote". ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Bouzinac:, could you please clarify the comments above by @ChristianKl:. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 03:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, it's difficult to model since you have plenty of ways to voting. There are countries where double voting is common (first round and second round), where you can cast ballot in different ways (voting proxy, mail, etc). There would be three way to solving this:

  • either set a "date of vote/last day of possible vote" and having a single-value-constraint. It would mean the last day where a ballot can be casted/counted is the one to record.
  • or set a "date of vote(s)" and having a single-value-suggestion. Letting people set the context with qualifyers.
  • or decide to rephrase the property as to the main date (the most common significative date : that is the date where most of ballots are to be decisive/counted) + single value constraint

  I don't have any preference. Thoughts? Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 19:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @ChristianKl:, would you like to give your final opinion based on the response? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 03:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Given that the property still lacks an English name, it's far from a state where it warrents anything like a final response.

  The ideal way forward would be to look at prior art and see how other people define the concept to see whether someone else has already come up with a good definition. Maybe, some UN agency that cares about voting has a controlled vocabulary that has a term? Maybe someone else? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 11:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @ChristianKl: proposal updated by @Swpb:. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 04:08, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @ChristianKl and @Swpb, would you like to give your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 15:30, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't really have an opinion on the property, I just came here to fix the English label. Swpb (talk) 17:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sometimes there is also a span of time to vote, like the EU elections. And the span usually also applies to early voting or mail-in voting. As an example, 2024 European Parliament election in Sweden (Q113933095) had mail-in voting starting at 25 April, early voting in Sweden 22 May–8 June (but voting from embassies abroad had dates varying by country), and "regular" vote on 9 June. I think we need to allow for this complexity, and also should have examples of these kind from the start so that the preferred way of modeling it is clear. Ainali (talk) 08:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  FWIW for bills and legal acts, the voting date is represented using the point in time (P585) qualifier on voted on by (P9681) statements. The objects of voted on by (P9681) statements are usually instances of legislative house (Q10553309), but when a law is subject to a referendum, it may also be an entire electoral body (Q5290079) (see e.g. Q124635941). --C960657 (talk) 16:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Of course I understand there can be a long span between first and last possible votes. I think the last date of possible cast ballot would be the most significative date for input as a date Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 08:46, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•  Oppose use properties described by C960657 Germartin1 (talk) 03:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
•  Not done, no consensus of proposed property at this time based on the above discussion. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 12:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]