Commons:Deletion requests/File:Silvestro3.jpg

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Ce portrait imaginaire de St-Paul-hors-les-Murs, représente Benoît X, qui n'est plus reconnu comme pape. Voir https://fr.dreamstime.com/photo-stock-pape-antipape-beno%C3%AEt-x-image99451244 Sumenol (talk) 13:57, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep No valid reason given for deletion.
See Commons:Deletion requests/File:146-Sylvester III.jpg likewise. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:49, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can keep, but you will keep an ERROR. If the photo sent does not convince you, you can also go to https://www.vatican.va/various/basiliche/san_paolo/vr_tour/Media/VR/St_Paul_Nave/index.html The images are indisputable, but you have to search a little (left part towards the choir). Otherwise, if you are still not convinced, you can go to St Paul outside the Walls. The error comes from the posters sold on site. As many portraits are imaginary. They did not want to leave the Sylvester III box (considered in the 19th century as an antipope) empty. They replaced that of Benedict X (then considered pope). Afterwards, you do as you want, but I will have done my job by pointing out the problem to you. Sumenol (talk) 02:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The image description already knows and says it's "antipope Benedict X.". No reason to delete the file. --MF-W 14:29, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but this portrait is titled Sylvester III, it illustrates Wikipedia pages on Sylvester III (among others in French) and for reasons that escape me we cannot remove this portrait from these pages. So this portrait generates many ERRORS on Wikipedia and only removing it will avoid them. As for the note on Benedict X, it was I who wrote it. Sumenol (talk) 02:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Les avis sont subjectifs, les faits sont objectifs. Wikipédia repose sur des faits et des sources primaires (vérifiables sur https://www.vatican.va/various/basiliche/san_paolo/vr_tour/Media/VR/St_Paul_Nave/index.html )
Les voici :
1) il n'y a aucun portrait de Sylvestre III à St-Paul-hors-les-Murs, car au XIX° il est considéré comme antipape
2) ce portrait est celui de Benoît X (considéré à l'époque comme pape légitime). On notera que, pour absolument donner un "visage" à Sylvestre III, on utilise parfois celui de Jean XIX (XIX) -y compris sur le site vatican.va-. Donc selon les pages Wikipédia, Sylvestre III est illustré de manière différente (pour vérifier, il suffit de taper Sylvester III ou Silvester III sur un moteur de recherche).
3) ce portrait sert à illustrer de nombreuses pages Wikipédia consacrées à ce pape, et elles ont impossibles à enlever (voir en français, italien, ...).
Il n'est donc pas possible, sous peine de conserver une erreur plusieurs fois reprise sur Wikipédia, de laisser la situation en l'état. Il ne faut donc plus d'une manière ou d'une autre qu'il illustre automatiquement les pages sur Sylvestre III. Si renommer la page suffit, c'est bien. Mais il faut faire au moins cela et vérifier qu'il ne peut illustrer que l'antipape Benoît X.
Les portraits de St-Paul de cette époque sont bien sûr imaginaires, mais si on en choisit un, autant que ce soit le bon. Les anglais ont choisi de ne pas les utiliser. Sumenol (talk) 03:59, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: per discussion, in use. --Krd 10:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]