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A fact from Chad Wolf appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 November 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that acting U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf stated that, as chief of staff, it was not his responsibility to determine whether the Trump administration family separation policy was right or wrong? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2019/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Chad Wolf.

The current version of the page incorrectly refers to Wolf as the "Acting Secretary." But this is not accurate. "Acting" official is a specific title that has legal ramifications under the Federal Vacancies Reform Act. "Acting" officials may perform any function that is in the sole authority of the main official (DHS Secretary) and that cannot be delegated to any other government official. Officials can only serve in an Acting role for 210 days after the date of the vacancy, after which they become the "Senior Official Performing the Duties Of" the job. ^[1].

While Wolf was indeed appointed as Acting Secretary, because 210 days have passed, he is no longer able to claim that title. Therefore, it is incorrect to refer to him as the Acting Secretary as that is a title he does not hold. According to the law, he is the Senior Official Performing the Duties of the Secretary of DHS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:a601:a9a2:5000:cec:16d2:c183:3000 (talk) 03:01, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have been trying to figure out the difference between "acting" and "senior official performing the duties of" for some time, but I haven't found any sources at all that explicitly define the difference between them (including the source you linked to). It may be an informal distinction of some kind. You appear to be right about the lapse in legal authority, but it doesn't appear that this triggers a change in title. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 05:18, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The reference linked says that there is debate about the legal authority and about the title. There is legal debate about what he can and cannot due once 210 days pass. That is reflected by his title. That debate should be reflected, both in terms of his legal authority and his title. I posit that Ken Kuccinelli falls under the same category. And for the record, Ken signs his emails "Senior Official performing the duties of..." 2605:A601:A9A2:5000:95E2:75B2:D6A:5978 (talk) 02:54, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The reference cited constitutes WP:OR and is therefore unacceptable. Until a better source can be found, we must rely on the Official website of the Department of Homeland Security, which shows "Secretary (acting)" as the title of Chad F. Wolf. Note to IP 2605:A601:A9A2:5000:95E2:75B2:D6A:5978: I have undone your edit. Please await consensus before restoring. NedFausa (talk) 03:25, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The cited Congressional Research Service report is a reliable source, it just doesn't support what the IP user is saying. Additionally, the DHS succession isn't controlled by the Federal Vacancies Reform Act, it's controlled by separate language in the Homeland Security Act, so I'm not sure if the 210-day limit even applies. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 19:34, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is call kind of moot, now that it the GAO has found that Wolf never legitimately became Acting Sec in the first place, so the 210 day concern doesn't apply, he never had day 1. --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:45, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Locked in your bunker because you are cowards who beat unarmed Navy vets? Why don't you and Chad come outside and take a walk without any boogaloo goons and see what the people think? Locked to protect new information from being added?

Such as Speaker Pelosi calling the use of unidentifiable officers as stormtroopers?

Such as a U.S. Attorney general calling for an investigation?

Such as the state suing in federal court to remove these officers?

Lock it down if you want but at least have the courage to keep it up to date SMSLWren (talk) 05:37, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Waiting on you cowards to actually do something SMSLWren (talk) 06:55, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SMSLWren: Due to persistent vandalism, the article space was semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users could edit it, with protection set to expire at 19:29, 19 July 2020. You created this talk page section at 05:37, 19 July 2020—less than 14 hours before the article would be automatically unlocked. What's the hurry? Less than five hours after I post this comment, you or any other unconfirmed user will be free to edit the article as you see fit, provided of course that you comply with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. I look forward to your courageous contributions here. NedFausa (talk) 14:36, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Antifa trolls like you are why the pages gets locked. Go to twitter for your childish rants. F. L. (talk) 12:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf details the unhinged violence unfolding in Portland.

"They're coming armed with rocks, bottles, baseball bats, power tools, commercial-grade fireworks...targeting their violence on federal court house and federal law enforcement officers."

Section? Wikipietime (talk) 04:14, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fox News Laura Ingram interviews. Would a portion of transcript of his stating that continued presence in Portland to control criminals be acceptable? Wikipietime (talk) 02:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

“ From 2005 to 2016, Wolf was a lobbyist, helping clients secure contracts from the Transportation Security Administration, his previous employer.”

Insufficient Wikipietime (talk) 02:37, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It’s an issue in our system. The revolving door in and out of govt with stops in lobbying and think tanks.

F. L.  (talk) 14:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wolf devised a policy. He had to, Obama and Biden did it without a policy. Exercising common sense, Obama Biden didn’t want criminals released into the country and didn’t want children housed with adult criminals. Separation was necessary.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/democratic-debate-september-2019/h_ca819e341152d783479eb2dc6240c08c F. L. (talk) 01:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic & religious background ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:2AA0:3200:1C8F:2638:A675:53E1 (talk) 05:46, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Per RSEs, Wolf's role is disputed; WP:NPOV requires that Wikipedia reflect that fact. Feoffer (talk) 21:50, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, what is disputed is if he is in that role legally. Please read WP:ONUS, and do not re-insert material that has no consensus, thanks. Trying to reconnect (talk) 21:58, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Chad Wolf not the United States Secretary of Homeland Security anymore? Suchi Sobel (talk) 15:46, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He never has been. He was named "acting Secretary", which means he didn't have the official Secretary title but was filling the duties until a proper nomination and appointment could be made... but a judge found that naming him "acting Secretary" had not been done appropriately. He is currently nominated for the full Secretary role, but has not yet been approved by Congress. --Nat Gertler (talk) 16:24, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to a federal court, the successor of some positions are defined by law. Who takes over if the President is sick? The vice president. Similarly, under the law, the person who was supposed to take over Homeland Security is not Wolf, it turns out. Feoffer (talk) 02:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I only came across this page today, but as you all doubtless know, this isn't as an easy one to write. I thought I would open this so we can discuss how we should refer to this man rather than continue with the decentralized correcting and correcting back.

Some points:

• He was Acting Secretary, although this was declared to be unlawful. I don't think this one is controversial, but we definitely shouldn't refer to him as "never being Secretary" or the like.
• Including that he is an "accused war criminal" is defamatory and wrong. Might I remind you all this is a BLP.... The only source I saw cited for this was post-2013 Newsweek, which is in Wikipedia:Perennial Sources as unreliable. Even then, he has not been formally indicted with anything, and even if he had, I'm not sure this should be included--innocent until proven guilty.
• Not sure whether to say he still is Acting Secretary. I think we should hold off on this until it is resolved by the Trump admin.

mossypiglet (talk) quote or something 00:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, this is a tricky one. Firstly, war criminal was obviously inappropriate, good call on removal. We certainly cannot say he WAS or IS the Acting Sec, but nor can we ignore the fact that he went around doing the job of an acting secretary for many months. The current revision says "was unlawfully named Acting Sec", which seems like a good summation. Feoffer (talk) 02:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure I can agree with Feoffer wholly. First, yes, we can't ignore the fact that Wolf is/was the de facto acting Secretary (the Senior Official wording controversy aside): but we also can't ignore the fact that (a) as of right now, Mr. Wolf is still listed on the DHS website as "Acting Secretary of Homeland Security" (which, I hope, settles the above question); and that (b) that Judge Nicholas Garaufis's decision might not be the last word on this matter, given possible appeals. Moreover, those issues aside, it's still unclear if Mr. Wolf is the acting secretary NPR intimates that Mr. Wolf "has been serving" in the role; The Washington Post says that Mr. Wolf's position is rather unclear, and that Mr. Pete Gaynor is in control of DHS for the time being (maybe); and The New York Times continues to state, even as of today's update, that "Chad Wolf [is] the secretary of homeland security [sic]". All this is to say that maybe we shouldn't necessarily claim that Mr. Wolf was appointed unlawfully—at least, quite yet. That's a thorny legal matter that we shouldn't opine on, at least in our encyclopedic Wikipedia voice. That's how I see it, at leat. — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 01:34, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]