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Hello, per WP:BOTINACTIVE your bot has not met the activity requirements and will be de-flagged unless we hear from you before 29 June 2024. If you wish to continue operating your bot please indicate so; the discussion is at Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard § Inactive bot (June 2024). Primefac (talk) 22:17, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, the subject line says it all ... this bot appears to have slowed down significantly. See this technical village pump discussion. Graham87 (talk) 01:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And it seems the problem has resolved itself. Graham87 (talk) 01:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Though automatic archiving can be useful, it's not always appropriate. The bot is priming the pump for time-wasting edit warring in Talk:Italian phonology. TIA Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 15:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Barefoot through the chollas, the bot is doing exactly what it's told. See User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo for instructions on how to configure it. – bradv 15:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, obviously the bot is doing what it's ordered to do. That's the problem. I didn't set it up. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 16:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Barefoot through the chollas (talk page watcher) Do not pester the bot owner. Instead ask the person who configured it on that talk page, or, with consensus, disable it there. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barefoor through the chollas what exactly is the problem? The bot is archiving posts/threads on that talk page 1)that have no replies within the past (almost) year. The thread that the bot archived and that you restored hadn't had any replies since April 2023...

If you're trying to figure out how to change the archive parameters or with consensus disable the bot, Help:Archiving a talk page and User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo are both useful.

If you wish to ask the person who set up the archiving to modify its parameters, do a search in page history for some part of the bot-archiving code, to see when it was inserted and who inserted it. Good luck, Shearonink (talk) 17:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shearonink Thanks for your response, setting a better tone. I was in the midst of trying to restrain myself from responding thusly to the previous:

Pester? Oh my. No doubt I'm incomprehending mysterious things Wikipedian, but in the normal world, ownership entails some level of responsibility, whether officially-legally or simple common-sensibly. ("Your wind chimes clang day and night!" "Hey, not the job of the owner of wind chimes to control them. It's your job to figure out how to engineer them into not chiming.")

The problem is as I described in my reversal of the automatic archiving of the discussion (my reversal then automatically reversed by the bot): automatic archiving of an unresolved issue regarding misinformation in the article, with material absolutely essential for identifying and correcting misinformation in the article thus archived out of view.

I've spent much too much time already on what shouldn't be an issue in the first place, that archiving of talk determined blindly by time unaddressed alone can be an obstacle to the (frequently gradual) establishment of trustworthy Wikipedia content. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 18:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because it's not an actual issue. Many important pages, including practically all of Wikipedia's most active policy discussion boards, utilize this system. Archives are searchable; if the template to do so isn't already there, it's as simple as adding {{Archives}} to the top of the page and getting the searchbox and list of archive pages. But per our talk page guidelines, discussions are not intended to remain open forever -- they are to be resolved through agreement, not exhaustion. We archive closed or stale discussions in service of that principle as well as for page performance and relevancy issues. I hope you recognize that you're barking up the wrong tree by bringing up your issues with the specific implementation of automatic archiving on a specific page to the botmaker's talk page, when you've already admitted that the bot has general utility, and your concern is with the situational appropriateness of it in specific scenarios. And that you'd have better luck getting the results you'd prefer either by discussing it on the Talk:Italian phonology page or just removing the auto-archiving in the first place...as you've been advised here. Climbing the Reichstag over a trivially resolvable problem isn't going to help get you what you want. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 21:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At [1] I got the following error message, which I am sharing with you because it told me to:

 File "/workspace/app.py", line 33, in inner
   return func(*a, **kw)
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 File "/workspace/app.py", line 71, in editorinteract_py
   tpl, store = EditorInteract(params)()
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 File "/workspace/editorinteract.py", line 28, in __call__
   loop.run_until_complete(self.do_query(store.server, store.query))
 File "/layers/heroku_python/python/lib/python3.12/asyncio/base_events.py", line 684, in run_until_complete
   return future.result()
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 File "/workspace/editorinteract.py", line 140, in do_query
   async with sql.connect(**connect_info(server)) as conn:
 File "/layers/heroku_python/dependencies/lib/python3.12/site-packages/aiomysql/utils.py", line 74, in __aenter__
   self._obj = await self._coro
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 File "/layers/heroku_python/dependencies/lib/python3.12/site-packages/aiomysql/connection.py", line 75, in _connect
   await conn._connect()
 File "/layers/heroku_python/dependencies/lib/python3.12/site-packages/aiomysql/connection.py", line 540, in _connect
   await self._request_authentication()
 File "/layers/heroku_python/dependencies/lib/python3.12/site-packages/aiomysql/connection.py", line 844, in _request_authentication
   auth_packet = await self._read_packet()
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 File "/layers/heroku_python/dependencies/lib/python3.12/site-packages/aiomysql/connection.py", line 652, in _read_packet
   packet.raise_for_error()
 File "/layers/heroku_python/dependencies/lib/python3.12/site-packages/pymysql/protocol.py", line 221, in raise_for_error
   err.raise_mysql_exception(self._data)
 File "/layers/heroku_python/dependencies/lib/python3.12/site-packages/pymysql/err.py", line 143, in raise_mysql_exception
   raise errorclass(errno, errval)

JBL (talk) 00:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]