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Kyle Keeler (May 24, 2024). "Wikipedia's Indian problem: settler colonial erasure of native American knowledge and history on the world's largest encyclopedia". Settler Colonial Studies. Retrieved May 26, 2024. Native peoples are only mentioned briefly on the 'British Empire' page, which states, 'Tensions remain between the white settler populations … and their indigenous minorities … '.Footnote124 The page notes that there have been critiques of British treatment of Native peoples, however, 'the economic and institutional development that the British Empire brought resulted in a net benefit to its colonies' according to imperial apologist Niall Ferguson.
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I would like to expand the section on the Scottish attempts to expand to include the colonisation of Nova Scotia and the Plantation of Ulster. MiloThatch 98 (talk) 01:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Those sources are simply carelessly written personal opinion that are being misused by you as well.
"Our research finds that Britain’s exploitative policies were associated with approximately 100 million excess deaths during the 1881-1920 period" Roger 8 Roger (talk) 21:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Article fails incredulously to mention the atrocities against Indians.
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Hear me out. Britain, through its colonial satellites sponsored the killing of 100 million[1] Indians within the span of 40 years. India was reduced to poverty under Britain, who strategically fostered ethnic and religious divisions[2] through Divide and Rule. This article severely downplayed the effects of the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre, and does not include the casualties of it or any other massacre. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of unbiased information, not a vessel for rosy-eyed British imperialism. So I request that the information be corrected immediately with reliable sources, and/or the biased template be added. Thank you, Ayunipear (talk) 19:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Those sources are poorly written personal opinion and are misinterpreted by you as well. They cannot be used as reliable independent secondary sources. They are an interesting magazine read while someone is sitting in the dentist's waiting room but they are not serious encyclopedia material. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 21:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
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What is the status of said territory? Is it part of NZ or not? There is here a NZ govt web page stating that technically the Ross Dependency is part of NZ. The New Zealand article has an infobox map showing it as part of NZ. This 1923 Order is at the heart of the claim. I initially raised the issue at the NZ article talk page but this might be a better place for a discussion seeing as it relates to Empire matters. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 20:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Not sure this does belong here. Several countries with Antarctic claims (which have nothing to do with the British Empire) have that territory marked on their main country article map. As to your question: the article on the Ross Dependency explains the abeyant status of the claim... so, like the other Antarctic claimant countries, it is no more (or less) a part of NZ than those other territories claimed by those other countries. Arguably claims shouldn't be shown, but if we were going to change it for one, we'd have to change it for all. Wiki-Ed (talk) 21:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't think it is quite the same as the other six. Chile and Argentina have their sections in their constitution as an integral part of those countries. The others are also treated in different ways by each country. The issue relates to 1923 when NZ was a dominion, before the Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1947 and full separation from the UK. The NZ govt statement in its online article says the Ross Dependency is constitutionally part of NZ, without further explanation, and that appears to be the basis of some people's belief that the dependency is part of NZ. The person who was the governor-general of NZ in 1923 was made the governor of the Ross Dependency, (I think making two unconnected positions) and NZ law was applied to the dependency in 1923 (does that amount to the dependency being constitutionally part of NZ? - what then about UK law applying in Pitcairn?) Roger 8 Roger (talk) 22:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
New Zealand may be similar to Australia in never really having defined the concept of internal and external territories in the way the UK and the US have. This may put it closer to the Chile/Argentina position than the UK one, especially if that is the position of the NZ government. CMD (talk) 01:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Does anyone want to write an article on the history of the British Empire, from the perspective of its subjects? This is really lacking in Wikipedia's coverage imo. I can create a new page with that premise and page link to relevant pages, however there's going to be a lot of empty sections, and I have too much on my to do list as of now. I'd really appreciate if people could write about it Alexanderkowal (talk) 10:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
[2] is from a world history perspective, with perspectives from local and world history
[3] discusses problems in British historiography to do with the imperial perspective
[4] "both the British perspective and that of the colonies is considered"
I think it's right that this article focuses on the imperial perspective, and I think it's very well written and fair, however it's very difficult to insert subject's perspectives when that'll mostly take the form of social history in an article about political history. In summary, I don't really want to mess with this article as it's quite the masterpiece, and I don't have any issues with it. Alexanderkowal (talk) 12:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Obviously the page created will try to be fair and not have its sole purpose to villianise with the superficiality of some post-colonial literature Alexanderkowal (talk) 12:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Okay that makes sense, I just thought this article could focus on the internal composites of the British Empire whilst ignoring the wider context Alexanderkowal (talk) 15:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes Governance of the British Empire could be really good, could cover the governance of the different parts of the empire (with sections probably regional and in order of when they became part of the empire) and also include perspectives from the governed.
I think this article should have a former country infobox like the other colonial empires, and have all of this under the history section? Then have a section on governance, economy, demographics, and legacy (with summaries of their main articles) Alexanderkowal (talk) 17:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
The reason there aren't articles on those things is not because they're "missing", it's because they're not viable subjects or the content exists already under different headings which more accurately reflects the weighting in reliable sources. E.g. there was no 'governance of the British Empire' article because that's covered by existing articles on the Government of the United Kingdom or the government of (insert country). Asserting or suggesting - through article naming - that there were separate centralised structures and processes is misleading. Wiki-Ed (talk) 20:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
When I said you need a source that discusses the topic, I meant a book or article with a title like "British Empire from subjects' POV". You can't get one source about the Empire from a Canadian's perspective and similar sources from the perspectives of people living in the empire in different places and different times and create an article. TFD (talk) 21:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
[5]: The Power of Commerce: Economy and Governance in the First British Empire
[6]: The Oxford History of the British Empire: Volume II: The Eighteenth Century: C5 The Anointed, the Appointed, and the Elected: Governance of the British Empire, 1689–1784
[7]: The Oxford History of the British Empire: Volume III: The Nineteenth Century: C9 Imperial Institutions and the Government of Empire
The subject is certainly notable, but a looong discussion on this some time back (I've looked in the archives but can't find it) argued pursuasively that since (perhaps compared to say the French), the British arrangements were somewhat ad hoc, differing very widely by place, and then by time, the article would be very bitty, and the wood hard to find for the trees. One might do a shortish summary, but getting into too much detail for individual areas would be fatal, I think. Whether the subject is adequately covered in all the individual by-territory articles, I rather doubt. Johnbod (talk) 23:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
The wood would be covering the history behind it, the impacts, and the historiography. There are decades of people asking "Was there a British Empire?" so its a topic with direct sourcing, and it would help answer the questions we have sometimes had here as to why the opening sentence of this article is structured the way it is. The risk is as you mention that it degrades into a list, as articles are wont to do. It is definitely not covered in the individual articles well, Gold Coast (British colony) mentioned above has a similar situation of being a summary of history rather than covering anything else, so there's easy room for improvements. CMD (talk) 04:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
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under "Americas, Africa and the slave trade" the article states ", Plymouth was founded as a haven by Puritan religious separatists, later known as the Pilgrims. Fleeing from religious persecution..." the puritan's were not "fleeing from religious persecution" [9]https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel01.html under heading Crossing the Ocean to Keep the Faith: The Puritan, they left to try and recreate the church of England. and very much wanted to persecute none believers in there way. Also Wikipedia actually coveres this in the article about the Puritans 62.31.61.202 (talk) 15:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply