Xexerss

I was about to WP:PROD the Baddies! article when I saw that you improved it a bit. I am curious as to whether you can find sources for it, because I have been unsuccessful thus far. I checked English, Japanese, and French for sources but to no avail. Link20XX (talk) 23:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Link20XX: I just did a quick search, but nothing worth citing. I just tried to make an improvement, but I wouldn't oppose if the article is nominated for deletion. Xexerss (talk) 03:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Excuse me, can I ask why did you undo my edits ([this and this)? Amelia (talk) 16:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Amelia: See MOS:OVERLINK. Don't abbreviate links to Anime News Network. Xexerss (talk) 16:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Well, they created the shortcut ann to use, I didn't find any problem if I used the shortened one. Amelia (talk) 16:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Amelia: This is because the template was previously simply named 'ANN', but there was a discussion some time ago and it was renamed. It is preferred to use the entire template directly instead of its shortcut. Xexerss (talk) 16:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Okay, I got it. Amelia (talk) 16:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I'm sorry, but I reverted your revision because I believe, TLDR, it's worth it to mention the actual artist, and this time I tweaked it. Compare the game Witchaven which mentions the cover art done by Ken Kelly. That caption has been there a very long time without issue (even though the game is now obscure). If this isn't consistent with other anime articles, then perhaps it's time to change the status quo a bit in the name of inclusion - this kind of credit isn't without precedent either (think of how many cartoons open with episode credits for example). It's not some protest or crusade by me, but artists do deserve some overlooked credit. ~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 01:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Okay so, I just realized the infobox mentions Tsunako anyway; I didn't realize the illustration generally and cover share the same artist haha my bad. But still for clarity for now I delinked the name, feel free to revert it all of course. :( ~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 01:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Sigehelmus: It's not really that important to me to leave it or not, but I don't find it necessary if the illustrator is already included in the same infobox ("illustrator" parameter); seems kinda redundant. Xexerss (talk) 03:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

As I revised an old character article, Pegasus Seiya, I noticed wikicommons had a lot of cosplays involving his armors but I can't tell if I'm being objective by getting rid of the Sagittarius image and replacing it with another cosplay to avoid more copyrighted material. I'm kinda confused that Japanese Wikipedia has an image of Shingo Araki's Seiya (anime design for the first arc that contrasts Kurumada's) but I can't find any notable interview. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 15:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi there! I wanted to nominate Frieren to Good Article status. Since you are a major contributor to the article, I would like to ask you for your consent before nominating the article. Best Wishes, KjjjKjjj (talk) 08:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@KjjjKjjj: That's fine with me. I must say beforehand, however, that I don't have much experience with good articles nominations, so my consent is all I can offer here. Xexerss (talk) 09:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Xexerss: I have nominated Frieren for Television. Thanks for your consent! Best Wishes, KjjjKjjj (talk) 10:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

I created a manga chapter list of Heavenly Delusion considering the current amount of volumes and the length the author has planned. Still, I'm not sure if it deserves a navigation box like we did with The Case Study of Vanitas as there is not much commentary on the characters. I imagine Kiruko has a lot of sources based on her gender themes but I still haven't searched info for her.Tintor2 (talk) 14:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Created Kiruko after doing some research. Feel free to edit it. There might be potential for Maru's notability based on a book I read but Kiruko was the easiest one as most articles focus on Kiruko's gender themes in early episodes. The last two episodes had some negative responses due to Kiruko being violated by Robin but I can't find big deals about it besides the only two ANN reviews of episode 12 and 13. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 22:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Created Maru (Heavenly Delusion). Sadly I couldn't find one newer illustration from Ishiguro so I instead use the first promotion of the manga. If you find any image, feel free to replace it. Also, if possible could you create a navigation template for Heavenly Delusion now that there are more articles rather than all combined? I'm not good at making those and it might make the two characters articles less orphan. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 01:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Why did you revert the table? The table seems much more legible; when proofreading, I was getting lost between lines, which is why I added it. How about we ask for a third opinion on this? Lunar-akaunto／talk 03:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Lunar-akaunto: I think I explained it in my edit summary. Although WP:MOS-AM#Characters doesn't state anything about the use or prohibition of tables for characters list, the change seemed arbitrary to me and I don't know of any other anime and manga article using other than the usual layout. I agree with having a third opinion anyway. Xexerss (talk) 04:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Since you have experience creating lists, could you check the above article for any potential errors? I noticed that for some reason it just wouldn't show up in search results, even when you force-filter the search terms with " ". I did not create the article, and I have tried to check, but I cannot seem to figure out the reason. Is it perhaps because it has still not been reviewed, or, however, does that work since it's been a while since it was created, so it should be marked as reviewed? Lunar-akaunto／talk 15:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, now it appears. Did you review it? Lunar-akaunto／talk 07:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Character descriptions and missing Cursed Technique and ability descriptions, or even story contributions are very much vital to good character lists, and there is a national group chat of anime fans here, so others might have edited because they are a part of that group. For example, I have seen another good character list recently for Young Justice. You removed Yuji's description, but it is very much necessary, especially when the Black Flash and his connection to Nanami, Todo, Eso, Kechizu and Higuruma is mentioned. It is needed 92.80.77.37 (talk) 16:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don't know what your definition of "good character list" is, but I suggest to familiarize yourself with MOS:INUNIVERSE. You can check articles like List of Naruto characters, List of Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba characters, List of D.Gray-man characters, or List of Dragon Ball characters (to name a few) and you will notice how these articles are not extra-detailed narratives about the events of the characters, but concise descriptions of them (as they should be). No, naming each of the characters' techniques is not necessary for the purposes of Wikipedia. Xexerss (talk) 16:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Why do you keep removing the explanation when you revert the edits from the IP user? I thought my edit summary was plenty, but apparently it is not for you, so I'll reiterate. The lit. reading for it is "frieren at the funeral", as I explained on the talk page, which you agree with; "frieren the slayer" is also a lit. translation, but when read in kun'yomi. An explanation is necessary. There are many anime where you can read the titles in kun'yomi, but we avoid them since they provide no insightful meaning or because they are read as such due to the context and not because of an alternate reading like kun'yomi. But it's different here because it does. You added the ref., linking to the chapter. What do you think about the attack on titan? Officially, the translation for the dialogue 進撃の巨人 in season 3 is "the attack titan" in both the manga and the anime; do you think this is applicable there too? changing the translation to "the attack titan" and linking to the episode or the manga? Probably not, right? This is the same. I would now go ahead and restore the explanation one last time, and I request that you please use the talk page if the above explanation is not plenty, and we can discuss it further there so others can participate as well. Lunar-akaunto／talk 17:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Lunar-akaunto: I started a discussion at the series talk page, but I'll reply you here as well. I added sources because the IP user was pointing out that the note included "original research", so I added references to justify the use of a translation. I'm not going to talk about AoA case because that is another topic; see WP:OTHERCONTENT. Xexerss (talk) 17:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Xexerss: I'm well aware of WP:OTHERCONTENT, but I only used it here because I thought it'd be helpful as a reference, but nevermind. Please wait. I'll try to post a reasonable explanation on the article's talk page without referring to any other wiki articles. Lunar-akaunto／talk 19:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Also, I didn't remove any explanation in my last edit on the article, I just added another source to reinforce the legitimacy of the translation. What edit are you talking about? Xexerss (talk) 17:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Xexerss: My bad, i mixed up the edit previews. but it still remains that you did it once even after my edit summary; even if you do disagree with me removing it, and it's only natural if we do disagree because we're bound to have differing views, you should have used the talk page before because i also did you the courtesy when you first disagreed over this the last time. Lunar-akaunto／talk 19:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Lunar-akaunto: I apologize for not going to the discussion page from the beginning. I thought my explanation about citing a source to justify a translation in the article would be convincing, but I see that it was not, so yeah, it was my fault. Xexerss (talk) 20:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would also say that if you really dislike conversing here or on the article's talk page, how about posting something like, "Don't post at my talk page"? at the top of your talk page or specifically instructing me to do so. I would gladly respect that request; it also saves me some time in the future. thank you? Lunar-akaunto／talk 17:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Lunar-akaunto: Why do you think I "dislike conversing here"? What comment of mine here gives you that impression? Xexerss (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

What gives me that impression? mmm, "no comment"?. You do not engage on the talk page of the article; you did not even provide any comment, even after pinging last time. You also do not seem to reply to the messages I posted on your talk page the other day, so it gives that impression. Lunar-akaunto／talk 19:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Lunar-akaunto: Look, don't take it personally, but I just don't usually respond to every message that editors post at my talk page. I read them, and if I can do something to address what they ask, I do, but don't expect me to reply every time to every single message. Xexerss (talk) 20:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Uh-huh. I didn't take it personally, though, but it's just that you shied away too many times from the article's talk page that I thought I should say this. But it's fine. Lunar-akaunto／talk 20:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi again, Xexerss. You recently reverted @Shiroyuki Holoyouko Nomaeru's edit to the article Pluto. I checked, and it seems what they added is indeed the full title of the manga. I have restored it for now, but I would suggest you strikethrough your message on their talk page, which claims their edit is vandalism. Lunar-akaunto／talk 11:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Lunar-akaunto: Alright. I'm ok with including the subtitle if Viz Media includes it. However, despite the way it appears on their site, I think the 'x' should be replaced for a '×' symbol in the article (except in references where x is literally used), like in Hunter × Hunter and Spy × Family (note that those series also include an x on Viz website.[1][2] Xexerss (talk) 18:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, you're right. I did consider using "×" instead of "x" but didn't because I was not so sure and mainly because my concern was just to restore the edit itself. Lunar-akaunto／talk 06:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I know that I can't fully quote the founding of REMOW on every anime series, despite their profile already been made on Nada Holdings Chinese article. Should I just focus on Nada Holdings article instead? VernardoLau (talk) 11:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

(talk page reader) @VernardoLau: I checked, and apparently Remow has not received a significant amount of independent coverage; even if you do create it now, it is mostly likely to be redirected or moved to draftspace. I would suggest working on Nada Holdings. Lunar-akaunto／talk 15:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@VernardoLau: It would be ideal if there were sufficient coverage of the company, as mentioned above. Xexerss (talk) 01:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don't guaranteed to publish the article without the English sources since the coverage doesn't seems to widely available in the English press. VernardoLau (talk) 05:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@VernardoLau: It's not necessary for the article to exclusively include sources in English, but it must contain enough secondary sources to evidence notability, although I'm not very familiar with sources in Chinese, so I wouldn't know which ones can be considered reliable or not. Xexerss (talk) 07:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@VernardoLau: You can absolutely use other language sources without any problems, but can you list a few that you're going to use? for example, are those news articles? Just keep in mind that they shouldn't be just trivial mentions of the company and should contain some commentary or in-depth discussion. Lunar-akaunto／talk 12:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

When I search the company name in Chinese (智寶國際開發), all I can find so far are just financial information. One of the article was about the financing plan on promoting Japanese IP.[3] VernardoLau (talk) 12:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Is that the only source you can find? I'm not sure whether that's reliable, but even if it is, the article would not be suitable for a standalone article based on just one source. I tried searching, and there are some mentions; see China Times. I checked the article at Chinese wiki the other day, and it too lists some of these sources. I don't know about the topic itself, but I could only find 5 news articles at best that mention this, and only this; I do not see anything else other than the shareholder information about the company. I would say, in my opinion, that this does not pass the notability criteria, and i think this is the reason why the article doesn't exist as a standalone article on Chinese Wikipedia. Maybe work on Nada Holdings instead? Lunar-akaunto／talk 12:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Well, since I can't write that article at the moment due lack of resources as we can find, maybe I shall focus on other articles edit in the meantime. VernardoLau (talk) 17:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

(BTW, just a side note, Xexerss, i hope you don't mind me replying here. I will clarify that i do not have your talk page on my watchlist; it's just that i often read user / project talk pages, and yours has previously involved discussions that sometimes overlap with my interests, but nevertheless, I understand how it can be disrupting, so do say so if it feels so, and I'll not engage going forward unless necessary.)

@Lunar-akaunto: I don't mind at all. This space can be read by anyone and anyone can reply, so it's not like you have to ask me for permission or anything. Xexerss (talk) 01:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

🌻 Lunar-akaunto／talk 12:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Regarding my edits to the article:

• I did not believe that hidden note was necessary anymore as the sources are already there for the genre section, thus making it obsolete in my opinion.
• I was simply not aware of MOS:LQUOTE.

Hope this helps. GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 03:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@GalaxyFighter55: I'd like to think that such notes are no longer necessary and we should stop adding them in articles. Unfortunately there are all kinds of users who add genres that they personally think fit a series or change those that are supported by the sources for others that are not even mentioned in the sources. It's true that this has not happened that much in the Zom 100 article specifically, but I feel it's better to leave it for prevention. Xexerss (talk) 03:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi again. If it meets the criteria for mainspace articles, would you please be able to mark it as reviewed? Thank you. Lunar-akaunto／talk 10:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Lunar-akaunto: Done. I suggest adding content in lead. Xexerss (talk) 10:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you. Oh, you thought the same. I already did it. Lunar-akaunto／talk 10:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

By the way, do you have any suggestions as to how to bring the track titles more in line with manual of style? If i add the rōmaji for titles, they would get too long. Lunar-akaunto／talk 10:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Lunar-akaunto: Sorry, I wouldn't really know to be honest. You can perhaps ask at WP:TEA. Xexerss (talk) 10:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Okay. Anyhow, thank you for reviewing it. Lunar-akaunto／talk 10:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

There is something that concerns me though. I don't know what's the limit of nonfree images but the covers of every soundtrack might be removed due to excessive usage of copyrighted material. Tintor2 (talk) 16:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tintor2: I thought that too. But my reasoning is that since the topic of the article is the soundtrack itself, maybe not? But again, I have done my work, but if tomorrow someone decides it's excessive and removes them, it's their choice and will be fine with me. I found one interview for the soundtrack; I'll try to add it and find others to avoid any possible deletion in the future. Lunar-akaunto／talk 17:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

You removed Category:Fiction about human trafficking from Beastars without comment. I support the category because the characters Louis, San and Kyuu were people trafficked like property, and Oguma bought and adopted Louis as his son. This satisfies the relevance of human trafficking in the story. Though Beastars has no literal humans, it still has people, and all the people in the story are human analogues with very human behaviors and lifestyles. This is anthropomorphism, in this case where non-human characters are portrayed with human traits for the sake of storytelling, so many human tropes still fully apply in context. Gilgamesh (talk) 00:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Gilgamesh: Read WP:CATV. Nothing in the article supports your statement and what you're stating here is WP:ORIGINAL. Xexerss (talk) 00:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

So you want a reference from the series itself? Like pages from the manga? That can be done. - Gilgamesh (talk) 05:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure if Heavenly Delusion can get a character list due to the mysteries involving character identities like the possibilties of Shiro and Usami being the same guy not being confirmed or Mikura's identity. Still I found this nonefree image highlighting the entire cast around volume 1 was released https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1031863429952196639/1255336131537535127/D38uapLUYAAAjH9.jpg?ex=667ebca0&is=667d6b20&hm=f9f834d45b57b4fd5878e03e0c9245a95627255d406d2fe876ec7030899d57d1& but I don't know the official source so far. Any idea? Tintor2 (talk) 21:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tintor2: I don't think the current list is large enough to warrant an own article. I think that image is fine, but a version without text would be better (I tried to search for it to no avail). Xexerss (talk) 01:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Xexerss, there are two respective new articles to create about two respective manga series, can you create them? They are How I Met My Soulmate by Anashin and Musume no Iede by Takako Shimura.

Thanks. Tebus19 (talk) 23:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tebus19: Alright, I have some time for a few days. Xexerss (talk) 07:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Done Xexerss (talk) 12:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hey Xexerss, thanks as always for the great work you do for the animanga project. This isn't a big deal, which I why I haven't brought it up before, but I wanted to drop a note so you don't think I've been ignoring your adjustments to article leads. I'm of the opinion that straightforward translations should not be called "literal".

Here are some examples where it's appropriate to call a translation literal. 1) When a title uses an everyday word in a different manner. A recent example is Small Nozomi and Big Yume, where the Japanese words in the title are names of characters, but have literal meanings as common Japanese words. 2) When a title uses an expression and the literal meaning is relevant. A made-up example: 馬の耳に念仏 idiomatically translated means "preaching to deaf ears", but literally means whispering the name of the Buddha in a horse's ear. So if a comedy manga had to do with Buddhism and horses, it might be relevant to surface that. 3) If the title isn't an accepted Japanese word. Sometimes you'll see a title that is a mishmash of different Chinese characters, but doesn't show up in any dictionaries. For example, here's something I threw together: 火蛙雷, "fire + frog + lightning". The standard way to translate this would be literally. (though a localizer might present it as "Salamander Bolt" or something else fancy)

In all other cases though, when a work doesn't have a localized title and we put an English equivalent in parenthesis, that is what the title means. The template {{Translation}} could maybe be used to make this explicit, but I've just been adding these in quote marks. Opencooper (talk) 09:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Opencooper: Hi. Thanks for pointing this out. Feel free to remove the template in case you don't find it appropriate. The only thing I think, from what I understand from Template:Literal translation, is that translations should be left only with single quotation marks ('...') and not with double ones (although I admit I am not entirely sure about this). Xexerss (talk) 09:22, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hmm… If one is glossing (i.e. providing a short English equivalent for) a dictionary term, e.g. 長髪 'long hair', single quotes are indeed the style. But these are translations of titles. The first option might be italicizing the translation, but since these works haven't been published under this, I felt that might mislead. MOS:DOUBLE defaults to double quotes other than for glosses, so that's why I went with that. It doesn't seem clear-cut to me, but more a matter of style. I might have to see how other projects handle it for things like novels or films. Opencooper (talk) 09:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Opencooper: Sounds reasonable. Either option is fine with me for now. Xexerss (talk) 09:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

(talk page reader) @Opencooper: I read over this and was a little lost on what your original question was, so I'll answer from what i understand. I would suggest omitting literal translations for titles that do have an English title and only mentioning it when the English title is substantially different from the original text.

I would suggest not adding translations for works that do not have English-published titles and instead using lit. translations instead. Translations, in my opinion, provide less insight over titles, and more importantly, because the translation that you would add might be disputable because of several ways a text can be interpreted. This, however, would not be the case for literal translations; there would comparably be less friction over literal translations. For idioms, add a literal translation, and if notable, explain the idiom using a footnote. Lunar-akaunto／talk 15:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Aniplex put out a trailer and they also have a website, This confirms that this is indeed an Aniplex of America License

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H71NhmegF-A 2603:6010:DA00:26:B836:2EB5:95D8:4D1D (talk) 02:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

The issue with your edit in The Elusive Samurai article was not about veracity but verifiability. It's not enough with adding a YouTube link in an edit summary to allow readers to verify what they are reading in the article. Xexerss (talk) 02:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

You undid my edit without explaining how my edit was "unconstructive". Apparently, you're supposed to leave a reliable source. But I did provide some references, and I still got reverted. Is there any problem? Let me know ASAP. TheMaxM1 (talk) 00:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@TheMaxM1: There are unsourced statements and statements with sources that don't even confirm said statements. Also, it should be avoided to cite user-submitted YouTube videos; see WP:VIDEOLINK. Xexerss (talk) 00:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Would this count as a source? TheMaxM1 (talk) 00:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@TheMaxM1: That's definitely not a WP:RS. That's a WP:SELFPUB source and the author even cited WP:USERG sources like Fandom. Xexerss (talk) 00:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I could just simply put the info on the extra dubs in the talk page, for the time being, right? TheMaxM1 (talk) 00:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@TheMaxM1: Talk pages are exclusively to discuss ways to improve the article. You can use your user sandbox if you want to make a better wording and add pertinent sources. Xexerss (talk) 00:37, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Xexerss, there are two respective new articles to create about two respective manga series, can you create them when you have time? They are The Food Diary of Miss Maid by Susumu Maeya and Hōkago Himitsu Club by Teppei Fukushima.

Thanks. Tebus19 (talk) 07:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tebus19: I'll try this weekend. Xexerss (talk) 07:50, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Done Xexerss (talk) 00:18, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Apologies for bringing this up a little late; I was out and only active for a little while for other discussions. Anyhow, is there any reason as to why we are adding a translation for the quote? WP:NOENG says to include a quote when there's a dispute over the contents but doesn't say anything about including a translation. I would say the translation is not really needed. I also understand your skepticism since this is the first one without categories, but that's what the source says, and I'm sure Natalie's very reliable. I already considered the disagreement and consequences before adding it, but i still proceeded because the ref. already existed.

That aside, let us not revert each other's edits and use articles' or our talk pages for discussion instead. This would save the article's history and also prevent any unnecessary tension between us. Of course, this does not include obvious typos or other errors, but when in doubt, please use the talk page; if appropriate, I am sure we'll reach a middle ground. Lunar-akaunto／talk 16:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

(EDIT: Since you have managed to successfully misinterpret this below, by this, I didn't mean let us have a discussion over every single thing we add; I specifically said not to revert. Me adding what I added was not a minor edit; you unjustly reverting it was not minor either. I didn't want to point it out specifically, so i put it this way. But have it your way, if you so prefer.) Lunar-akaunto／talk 17:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Lunar-akaunto: WP:NOENG says to include a quote when there's a dispute over the contents but doesn't say anything about including a translation.

Excuse me, but WP:NOENG explicitly states: If you quote a non-English reliable source (whether in the main text or in a footnote), a translation into English should accompany the quote, so why do you think it is not needed? If you're adding a piece of Japanese text in the English Wikipedia, are you assuming that readers will automatically know what said text says without having to use a translation machine? Xexerss (talk) 20:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ohh. My bad, I only read the citing part. I thought that quote referred to when we literally quote something in running text, as when we quote a word or a sentence from a work, we always write rōmaji in lead, but a translation can be added, and that is what it refers to, or so I thought. Okay, not to WP:OTHERS, but this is literally the first time I've seen about including a translation for quotes. I've created some articles and was browsing wikiproject anime when i saw someone suggest including a translation for ref. titles, and they mentioned it is not necessary but helpful, something along those lines. So, I thought the same applied to quotes in references as well.

Nevermind with that. Why include a quote when we agree over the contents? Lunar-akaunto／talk 11:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Lunar-akaunto: Right, it's not mandatory but helpful, and I think that's reason enough to leave it there. By the way, you were the one who added the quote in the first place (which is fine with me since the reference was used precisely for that part). Xexerss (talk) 11:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I did, but it was because you reverted, no? At the time, I added it because it'd be too troublesome to explain in the edit summary, but i think it's redundant now because it's in plain sight and not very complex either, so someone would miss it. Lunar-akaunto／talk 11:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Lunar-akaunto: And before that, another user was adding a category in the table even when the sources literally state that there were no categories. If a quote directly extracted from the source somehow helps to prevent something like that from happening again, I don't see why it should be removed. I'd like to assume that stuff like this is "in plain sight and not very complex", but it seems that sometimes it's necessary to be a little more emphatic to avoid certain kinds of disruptive edits. Xexerss (talk) 11:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I see that. The current quote still only quotes abolishing the categories and doesn't quote anything about the categories were not divided, which the editor in question was adding. Now don't re-add the full quote like previously, because that'd be overkill because there's already an English source present stating the same. The editor in question added it even when a purely English source was present. So that's a whole different thing.

Think of it like this: I'm a random reader, and i see that statement. If i doubt it, I'd go to the source listed and cross-check it for myself. Now if i don't find it anywhere in the source, if it's just so that it's almost hidden, or maybe if the font or word arrangement is such that i read "this is a buck" as "this is a duck", that'd be a dispute. Not bothering to budge and reading it all is the reader bathing in laziness and not us being unemphatic. Don't you agree? Lunar-akaunto／talk 12:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Lunar-akaunto: Look, I think this is getting excessively long (I don't want to repeat the Frieren's title translation situation). I just think the quote (and the translation) is helpful and makes things easier, however obvious it may seem to you, but whatever, remove it if that's what you want. I repeat, I think it is useful, but if we are going to have these long and weary discussions over every minor addition to the article, then I don't know what else to tell you. Xexerss (talk) 12:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Look, what do you mean by repeating Frieren's title translation situation? You wanted to initially use it as a ref. for the lit., and I opposed it. You started the discussion for it and later changed your statement to add it additionally and not use it as a reference, so it's not my fault that it was overly lengthy. By the way, we do not have discussions, long and weary at that, at every single minor or major addition to the article. This is literally the first regarding something so puny. Yes, you can check. Why do you make it sound like i do this every Sunday?

I understand what you said, and i was not here to rant about it; I just wanted to say that it was not necessary here since it was not exactly a dispute and discuss it. If i wanted to remove it, I would have already done it. We can't exactly go on quoting every single thing and providing a translation for it, right? Again, it can stay; I can live with it. I was just saying it as in pointing something out. Lunar-akaunto／talk 17:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

What do you think about the other thing i said? Lunar-akaunto／talk 11:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm sorry, what other thing do you mean? Xexerss (talk) 11:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

the revert thing. Lunar-akaunto／talk 12:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

One more thing—maybe unnecessary, but just for clarification, I respect that you trust the translation i provided. Now, what i say doesn't just apply to the current quote but to the frieren lit. i added before or any other translation for that matter; please know that what i say is correct to the best of my knowledge, but i may be wrong sometimes, so please take what i say with a grain of salt and, if possible, cross-check from any sources available to you to find any discrepancies. I only ever stepped into translations in the light of how user translations are preferred over machines', WP:TRANSCRIPTION, and WP:NOENG. Before i put my insight into translations, I try to cross-check it from wherever possible, but when appropriate, i also try to engage others who might know this better than me, such as here, here, etc.; it's a different story if that doesn't work, but i have done my part. Lunar-akaunto／talk 17:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Before i go, as i already said, this is the first time I've come to discuss something not very significant, but if in any way it was demeaning to you, my sincerest apologies; I'll let this be the last one. Do know that during my earliest time here there were times when, similar to some of these minor things occurred, and i thought not to speak many times because it really shouldn't matter, but it did spill trouble later. I've also seen the same happen elsewhere and learned that it's better to just say what you think and discuss it than not to. Please know that my desire to improve the project significantly outweighs my preferences and alike. I'll be off then. Good day. Lunar-akaunto／talk 17:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Lunar-akaunto: No problem. It may be the second discussion that we have on a topic of this nature, but given how long both became, I simply want to avoid this happening again next time. The topic it's not the big deal (although this entire discussion makes it seem as if it is). I just tried to explain my point but not to impose what I think, so if you want to remove the quote, go ahead, I will not revert your edit. I don't totally agree with you, but you've made a reasonable point and that's enough for me. Xexerss (talk) 21:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Just a heads up that what i said about it being for the coming years as well was indeed correct; I was able to confirm it from someone here on wiki. Do know that someone else might come tomorrow and change it, saying that the machine translation gives off something else; this is exactly what the ip user did for the lit. translation, if you remember. So, perhaps, what you were intending to do was add the quote to the talk page, with a translation reflecting how the machine translation is incorrect in this case. But it's your choice; it's probably fine as it is now. Lunar-akaunto／talk 15:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Xexerss, there are four respective new articles to create about four respective manga series, can you create them when you have time? They are The Yakuza's Bias by Teki Yatsuda, Wash It All Away (manga) by Mitsuru Hattori, Someone's Girlfriend by Nikumaru and Kawaii Kōhai ni Iwasaretai by Taku Kawamura.

Thanks. Tebus19 (talk) 23:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tebus19: Alright. I'll try to create them soon. Xexerss (talk) 23:15, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Partly done I can't find enough coverage for Kawaii Kōhai ni Iwasaretai at the moment. Xexerss (talk) 03:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

(talk page reader) There's an article at ja:かわいい後輩に言わされたい for it. If you want, you could use it as a reference; I think the coverage present there should be plenty. Lunar-akaunto／talk 15:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Xexerss, there are two respective new articles to create about two respective manga series, can you create them? They are Rock wa Lady no Tashinamideshite by Hiroshi Fukuda (with a recently announced TV anime adaptation) and I Have a Crush at Work by Akamaru Enomoto.

Sources for Rock wa Lady no Tashinamideshite: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2024-07-22/hiroshi-fukuda-rock-wa-lady-no-tashinamideshite-manga-gets-tv-anime-adaptation-in-2025/.213470, https://natalie.mu/comic/news/583217

Thanks. Tebus19 (talk) 11:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tebus19: Okay, I'll try to create them soon. Xexerss (talk) 11:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Xexerss Anyway, there's a Japanese article for Kawaii Kōhai ni Iwasaretai at ja:かわいい後輩に言わされたい. If you want, you could use it as a reference; I think the coverage present there should be plenty. Tebus19 (talk) 11:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tebus19: I checked it, but I was referring to having secondary sources discussing the series (even if it is some brief review or similar) and not just release reports. I admit that I myself have created articles many times overlooking this, but now I prefer to have sources of that nature to better demonstrate notability before creating an article. Xexerss (talk) 11:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tebus19:   Done. I'll probably keep creating a few more articles for a couple more days (mainly ones I've wanted to do since a long time), but I don't think I want to take any more requests for a while. Thanks for understanding. Xexerss (talk) 13:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I want to use this link as a reference but I don't know why About.com is on the blacklist.

Is this website reliable? M.A.LasTroniN910^t@lk 03:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@M.A.LasTroniN910: I don't know if About.com is reliable, but Deb Aoki is a reliable author included at WP:A&M/ORS. Apparently the site was added to the blacklist due to a couple of IP editors who started spamming the site in several articles. I requested a while back that they remove at least the manga.about.com and about.about.com links from the list to no avail. If you wish to, you can ask at WT:WHITELIST to remove the specific link that you want to use, mentioning as well the fact about the author's reliability. Xexerss (talk) 03:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Xexerss, there are three respective new articles to create about three respective manga series, can you create them when you have time? They are Joshikōsei Joreishi Akane! by Masao Ōtake, Furare Girl by Kakeru Tsutsumi, and Tsuki no Okinimesumama by Ramune Kiuchi.

Please accept this my last request and then i will stop for a while. Thank you. Tebus19 (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tebus19: Okay, I'll try some time later. Xexerss (talk) 22:31, 24 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tebus19:   Done. Just curious, not out of rudeness (you can make more requests in the future), but is there a particular reason for asking me to create the articles? I ask mainly because I've noticed that you've already created quite a few articles that I think are very good overall. Xexerss (talk) 08:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Xexerss, sorry, but I ask you to create articles just because I wanted to help you to find more of them. I also create some of the articles but only if an anime is announced and especially if they’re easy for me. Also, I wrote “my last request for a while” because I thought you don't think you want to take any more requests for a while too. Tebus19 (talk) 08:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tebus19: I see. However, it's not like my purpose here is to create articles for every series out there or to simply increase my list of articles created. And although I like to create articles from time to time for series that catch my attention and if I reasonably believe that they deserve articles, depending on the amount of coverage I'm able to find (I'm taking these days off to create several of the ones I wanted to do some time ago), it's not something I enjoy as much as I used to, to be honest. I have not refused your requests so far out of pure courtesy (there's really nothing to prevent me from refusing) and because I think they have been good proposals overall. Xexerss (talk) 09:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Xexerss, I’m really sorry, that means that I went too far with the requests? Tebus19 (talk) 09:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tebus19: No, not really lol, it's just that with requests I'm one of those who prefer to finish them as quickly as possible whenever I can, but finding good sources is sometimes difficult. It's just my way of proceeding, but that's clearly not to blame you or anything. Xexerss (talk) 09:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Xexerss, thank you, so i can make more requests in the future even if you said that you don't think you want to take any more requests for a while (this is the reason i wrote "my last request for a while")? Tebus19 (talk) 09:48, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tebus19: Yes, but I prefer that for the next occasions they are for series that have had some notable recognition (nominations/awards), have adaptations or are confirmed to receive one, or have been reviewed in some specialized websites. I usually end up finding out that information myself, but I'd like to know beforehand before I start creating them. I'm not asking for specific links, just that you can do a quick search to know that some of that exists for a particular series before making the request. Xexerss (talk) 10:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I already explained to you exactly what I meant. The Hepburn is directly attributed to the Kanji before it, so I don't see why there should be a problem to include the interpunct to show article readers how it functions in regards to the sound transcription. GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 01:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@GalaxyFighter55: Interpuncts are used in Japanese typography for visual separation and have no phonetic value, so its inclusion (just in the rōmaji parameter of Nihongo template) seems rather superfluous to me. Xexerss (talk) 01:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Xexerss: I personally think that's a debatable talk page topic, but it's not important enough for me to feel the need to start that one up, I suppose.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 01:58, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@GalaxyFighter55: I couldn't find previous discussions regarding this matter (in MOS:JAPAN at least). I can only add that an interpunct is a word divider of common use in Japanese instead of the space (they have a limited use for it). Given that the interpunct is not a standard punctuation mark in everyday English writing, and Hepburn romanization is there to help non-Japanese speakers, I think it would be preferred to simply use the simile of that mark for the case (the space). Xexerss (talk) 03:14, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hey @Xexerss, I would like to give my apologies for not adding the credits for the VAs when I add them in. I was not familiar with how to reference them without a verifiable source, so I'd like to thank you for bringing up future options for me to refer to later on. JT0219 (talk) 06:33, 11 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@JT0219: No problem. I assume good faith on your part. The issue is that I had a similar problem with an IP user who repeatedly insisted on doing this on various articles despite repeated warnings to stop doing so, so I admit that this has become a bit tedious, but thanks for your understanding anyway. Xexerss (talk) 06:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)Reply