Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lil Tony (North Carolina rapper)

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lil Tony (North Carolina rapper) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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This is very much centred on WP:BLP1E. Fails WP:NMUSICIAN, WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Crime, and North Carolina. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:34, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The event in question that they are known for is a murder that has extensive coverage by news sources and should pass WP:PERP due to the obscene nature of the crime. cyberdog958^Talk 21:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per GOMM reasoning below, I change my vote to delete. Other than around the time of the crime and his sentencing, I couldn't find any other coverage about the crime. cyberdog958^Talk 07:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:PERP. The latter states that an article should exist only if the motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual, to the extent it has become a well-documented historic event. Neither the motivation (to increase standing in a gang) nor the execution (drive-by shooting) are unusual. That it involved children is undeniably shocking and unusual. The article Murders of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Peña, for example, covers two young children randomly murdered as part of a gang initiation. But WP:PERP also says that historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role — this is clearly not met in the case of Lil Tony. There has been no sustained coverage; the killings made the news in 2019, at the time of the event, and briefly again at sentencing in 2022, but there has been zero news coverage since. Nothing written in 2023, nothing written in 2024. Contrast this with Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Peña, killed in 1993, who have been written about extensively, with entire books (Pure Murder) dedicated to their killing, news articles ranging from the 1990s all the way through to 2024, and even a 2023 ABC documentary. In the case of Lil Tony, coverage has demonstrably not persisted beyond contemporaneous news coverage, so WP:PERP is not met. Nor does he seem notable enough to satisfy WP:GNG either, and we're definitely in WP:BLP1E territory. GhostOfNoMeme 05:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree with GONM above, the crime itself does not have sustained coverage to confer the notability to the perpetrator. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.