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Karelina Clarke

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Does not match WP:ENT Bulklana (talk) 19:55, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Latifa bint Abdulaziz Al Saud

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Fails WP:NOTINHERITED. Notability, and thus coverage of her, is due to her relation to notable members of the Saudi royal family or her family lineage. She's not notable as the daughter of a King of Saudi Arabia. Longhornsg (talk) 17:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I'm not finding anything suggesting that she's of note in her own right. The article itself practically asks us to reach this conclusion as, except for the very last sentence, it's no more than an enumeration of who she's related to. The only thing it says about her in her own right as that she donates to universities. Largoplazo (talk) 23:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wadha bint Muhammad Al Orair

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Redirect to Descendants of Ibn Saud where the article subject is already covered. Fails WP:NOTINHERITED. Non-notable member of the Saudi royal family and coverage is either WP:ROUTINE engagements or in relation to her family lineage, not WP:SIGCOV on her as a notable individual. Longhornsg (talk) 17:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vivienne Tang

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Fails WPANYBIO and GNG; among sources are blogs, not reliable media and podcasts. BoraVoro (talk) 11:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Sources 3 and 4 are about her favorite restaurants and what clothes she wears, not really what's needed for notability. I don't find much else for RS coverage; [1] is about skin creams. I don't see coverage we can use to establish notability. Oaktree b (talk) 11:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jill Bryson

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Not sufficiently notable per WP:MUSICBIO or WP:ARTIST for a separate article, with no significant coverage in reliable secondary sources outside of her involvement with her first band. Her recent work as an artist did get some secondary coverage in this Sunday Post article, but the rest that I could find in a WP:BEFORE search is either interviews or passing mentions in connection with the band. Created twice by single-purpose accounts, and redirected to the band article twice in 2014, it's essentially an autobiography [2], [3], full of unsourced claims and WP:OR. Rather than redirect it a third time, it seemed best to take it to an AFD discussion: see also at the talk page a discussion about this with the editor who last redirected it. Wikishovel (talk) 09:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for raising your concerns about the notability of this article. However, I believe that the article meets the criteria for notability under WP:

Why I think this reason:

I have been speaking personally to Jill Bryson for help on the construction of this page. She has assisted a lot to the making of this, and has given me verifiable evidence about her date of birth.

If you do not believe this reason then you can see for yourself here:

https://www.facebook.com/jill.bryson.52

She is my friend, search my name on there at Tom Sullivan

Instead of deleting the article, it would be more constructive for us to improve it by helping to add reliable sources and removing any unsourced claims I chose. My approach is trying to align with Wikipedia’s goal of providing comprehensive and verifiable information. I do know that the article has been redirected in the past, but it’s important to recognize that notability can evolve over time. Her contributions to both music and art continue to be relevant, warranting a standalone article.

T/R\S T/R\S (talk) 12:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Strawberry Switchblade. It's possible that someone (herself and/or friend) thinks she merits a separate article because her former bandmate Rose McDowall has one, but McDowall received some notice for her solo works. This article on Bryson simply copies a personal biography of interest only to friends and associates (having agoraphobia and hanging out in the local punk scene do not make someone notable) and it appears to be an attempted resume for her current art career. Her activities outside of her former band do not have the coverage necessary for an individual article here. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Strawberry Switchblade. This is almost entirely unsourced claims, not based on WP:SIGCOV significant coverage published in reliable secondary sources. Elspea756 (talk) 13:55, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bowie Jane

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 01:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, passes WP:GNG per these sources [4][5][6][7] which give fairly significant coverage to the subject. There are also other sources available that when combined further their notability for an article. Ednabrenze (talk) 08:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, source 8 above is a brief album review in Billboard (fine I guess), the rest are about the season of Big Brother and mention this person in relation to the others on the show. Not exactly significant coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 18:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: to the Big Brother season? Seems to have survived long enough on the show, but I'm not sure they're notable outside of that context. Doesn't seem to meet musical notability requirements either. The Billboard review is fine, but it's used for musical notability, then we go onto the TV show sources; you have to pick one sort of notability, you can't stack them. Being almost notable as a DJ and almost notable as a TV personality don't add up to an article here. I'm not fussed if this gets !deleted either. Oaktree b (talk) 18:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mai Moncaster

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I am unable to find enough significant coverage from third-party sources to meet the general notability guidelines. Biographies of living persons require independent sourcing. An WP:ATD is to draftify the article while more sources come up. JTtheOG (talk) 22:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. I don't see this page as a potential draft. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anjalika Wijesinghe

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Fails WP:ANYBIO, requires significant coverage in multiple reliable independent secondary sources. Both cited sources are predominately based on primary sources, which lack any independent editorial oversight. Dan arndt (talk) 11:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The article is based on two sources: an article in a newspaper: Daily Mirror (Sri Lanka) and an article on a magazine called Lanka Woman, which is published by Wijeya Newspapers Ltd. No evidence has been produced for the claim that the newspaper and magazine "lack any independent editorial oversight". Presumably more sources could be found in native-language publications in Ceylon.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment the article in Lanka Woman, is entirely based on an interview with Wijesinghe (which is a primary source). There is no indication that the interviewer or the publisher has undertaken any fact checking to ascertain whether Wijesinghe's statements are correct. Dan arndt (talk) 12:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. No pass of GNG. Sources are not adequate. BLP reads like LinkedIn blather ("force to be reckoned with"). Xxanthippe (talk) 22:40, 13 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. Once the blather is removed, there's nothing left. Fails WP:GNG and is nowhere on the same planet as WP:NPROF. Qflib (talk) 02:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No claim of notability in the article. The two sources smell more like paid publicity / churnalism than reliable journalism. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Randi Cogan-Shinder

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Article previously deleted as "(Expired PROD, concern was: Almost every single claim is not supported by the source. Many sources are unreliable, or make only trivial mention, or a primary like interviews and press releases.)" Nothing seems to have changed since. Refbombing seems to be mainly low-quality sources, largely involving regurgitation of press releases. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NBUSINESSPERSON. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Verónica Rodríguez

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Subject is a fairly unremarkable pornographic actress, cited almost exclusively to industry press and the IMDb-equivalent database for that industry. She has music ventures outside of that field, but none rising, as yet, to an encyclopedic level of notability. BD2412 T 19:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Has enough coverage to meet WP:GNG and has either won or been nominated to several awards in the industry. --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @NoonIcarus: Can you specify what in the article you think constitutes reporting in reliable sources "enough coverage to meet WP:GNG"? As far as I am aware, we do not count nominations towards industry awards towards notability, and the single "win" indicated in the article is not for any of the major industry awards. BD2412 T 00:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[8][9], to give some examples. --NoonIcarus (talk) 00:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Link #1 is promotional. Link #2 is a standard pornstar interview in AVN. A non-independent churnalism source. Neither contribute to GNG notability. • Gene93k (talk) 16:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No coverage by independent reliable sources found in the article nor in independent searching. The references are low-quality even by porn bio standards. The article even debunks the AVN source mentioned above as industry-generated kayfabe. No reliably-sourced claim for passing WP:BASIC or WP:ENT. • Gene93k (talk) 17:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Resmi R Nair

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I am curious about how this person meets WP:GNG criteria. This article does not appear to satisfy the necessary guidelines for notability.The only reliable citation in this article pertains to the news of this person arrest in a sex racket.But this incident alone does not contribute to her notability or prominence.This article was previously deleted thrugh AFD Disscusion. Padavalam🌂 ► 14:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This appears to be a clear case of WP:BLP1E. The sources that come close to being significant only cover their arrest related to the online racket. I can’t find any other independent sources with significant coverage of the subject, so it fails to meet WP:GNG. I would like to hear the author’s comments on this article; perhaps they can provide significant coverage of the subject beyond the racket case. If they succeed, the subject might pass GNG. GrabUp - Talk 14:32, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had created this for her career as a model, she was also instrumental in establishing the Kiss of Love protest. The arrest was secondary. I assumed the Kiss of Love protest was what made her notable for wikipedia here. Oaktree b (talk) 14:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no doubt that the Kiss of Love protest was significant, and she played a central role in it. However, does that make her inherently notable? I am unable to find significant coverage of her in articles related to the protest. GrabUp - Talk 14:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any other notable achievements or news articles about her apart from those related to the Kiss of Love and controversy? If not, delete. CheramanMale (talk) 10:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:GNG, per nom. Charliehdb (talk) 15:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eva Carboni

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Not yet notable per WP:MUSICBIO. Her main claim to notability appears to be her collaboration with Mick Simpson, whose own notability remains unclear, but in any case on Wikipedia notability is not inherited. The only coverage I could find of her in a WP:BEFORE search is in music blogs, with no significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources. Wikishovel (talk) 05:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The production of this artist is wide and easily verifiable on all music distribution platforms. We are not talking about self-productions but about productions of a real and recognized music label. The same streams and visions are public and demonstrate the truthfulness of what is written. Furthermore, the sources, although considered "secondary" are reliable and truthful. I believe that the request for cancellation is excessive.. 2A0D:3344:244D:4410:D521:A9AE:8355:ADEC (talk) 10:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC) — 2A0D:3344:244D:4410:D521:A9AE:8355:ADEC (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

The production of this artist is wide and easily verifiable on all music distribution platforms. We are not talking about self-productions but about productions of a real and recognized music label. The same streams and visions are public and demonstrate the truthfulness of what is written. Furthermore, the sources, although considered "secondary" are reliable and truthful. I believe that the request for cancellation is excessive.. Salvacarb (talk) 18:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC) — Salvacarb (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete per nom. Jdcomix (talk) 22:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Laureen Oliver

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Oliver seems to fail WP:POLITICIAN. Most of the coverage on her consists of brief mentions, mostly in local outlets. Mooonswimmer 23:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and keep improving. Easily meets WP:BASIC. Coverage includes academic books about the role of third parties in American politics (like this 2012 volume published by University of South Carolina Press). Over her 30+ year career in politics, she has been referenced a lot in national newspapers, not just local. Given the volume of coverage involving Oliver, this will take some time to sort through but definitely worth keeping. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not seeing how that really counts as significant coverage. Mooonswimmer 22:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I am reminded of the consensus in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill Redpath and Redpath was a national figure of the third largest party in the United States versus one of three founders of a state-level, third-party with regular ballot access. The mention above I think fails WP:BASIC as WP:BASIC explicitly precludes trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources. The mention in Challengers of Duopoly is exactly that.--Mpen320 (talk) 15:06, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the well detailed analysis of Cielquiparle. Ednabrenze (talk) 09:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Therese Moodie-Bloom

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG, WP:NBIO or WP:NACADEMIC. Can't find any secondary SIGCOV. AlexandraAVX (talk) 10:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete? Can't see any notability yet. Xxanthippe (talk) 11:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. Nothing in the article rises to the level of notability. Although we can have articles on people with significant media coverage despite no significant accomplishments, that requires depth of coverage in independent reliable sourcing that we also don't have. Searches didn't find anything better outside the article. Not quite an A7 speedy, but close. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: absolutely zero significant coverage. C F A 💬 22:52, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't delete. I wrote the article because my view is that she is notable, in the sense of "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor..." (Wikipedia:Notability_(people)), because she is the international head of Mensa, which is itself a notable organisation. For the record, I am in the process of gathering other references and citations (my plan is to talk with her later this week). If it turns out that the consensus here is that the article should be deleted, I will continue to improve my local copy of the article (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ben_morphett/Therese_Moodie_Bloom) until it is in a form that is acceptable to the broader Wikipedia community. Ben morphett (talk) 05:28, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Head of Mensa is an administrative position, not an award. WP:NCORP might be more relevant. Xxanthippe (talk) 05:30, 11 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Yeah, that's not an award. She has to meet WP:BASIC like any other president/CEO etc. Notability is not inherited. C F A 💬 14:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Nothing here to indicate notability per either WP:BIO or WP:PROF. Nsk92 (talk) 13:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I did some digging and didn’t find anything particularly notable about this person. She’s mentioned as a regional official of MENSA, but that’s about it—no major media coverage or awards. Being a member of MENSA doesn’t automatically make someone notable according to Wikipedia's guidelines, and since MENSA is just an organization, not an award, I suggest moving this page out of the mainspace. If the creator thinks there might be some good sources out there, they can work on the draft in their sandbox and submit the improved draft for review later.50.46.167.81 (talk) 05:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- though I disagree with 50.46.167.81 that her notability claim is significantly stronger than just being a member of Mensa, there is not enough evidence that anyone outside of Mensa cares about who their current president is. Not inherited as CFA said, and not satistfying WP:NCORP -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 00:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per WP:NOTRESUME. I was once a member of Mensa and that didn't get me a Wikipedia article. Her position with them is not a notable award and she is only visible in various directories. Her side gig as a puzzle creator has received no reliable coverage. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lynn Davis (singer)

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Fails WP:GNG. A lot of this article relies on Discogs links, leading to a timeline of album appearances or background vocal appearances. The proclaimed singles "I Want You for Myself", "Indigo Waltz", and anything else mentioned does not list her as the singer or featured singer. Furthermore, this articles fails WP:SINGER. There is a dead "Billboard World Music" link which simply stated the release of her song "Can I Come Over" but it never charted. Everything else is unsourced and there are sources available to support the information in the article. Sackkid (talk) 04:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment 163 incoming links to the singer, usually in song lists saying "(featuring Lynn Davis)". I've listened to two such songs in youtube, and (at best) there are undicernable female background singers in it; no mention of her on the cover. If I had to guess, I'd say the singer's wiki presense largely exaggerates her actual influence. – sgeureka ^t•c 13:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well she has no chart entries in her own name. And everything else is just about her singing backup on who's who album or song. And there is nothing to support the claim that she is fluent in Italian or Japanese beyond any of the songs that she sang backup on, where of course singers are coached or rehearsed to do. Sackkid (talk) 23:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Catfurball (talk) 17:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom. I can only find coverage in random obscure music blogs. C F A 💬 02:49, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is unfortunate because she has had a long career as a session singer and hopefully made a living doing what she loves. But for Wikipedia purposes, she needs reliable media coverage about her performances specifically. Her career history and biography are only described in detail at her own website ([10]). She has many credits in which she is listed as present in someone else's works, but that simply is not enough for an article here. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nandini Balial

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Complete lack of notability slygent (talk) 04:06, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete There still does not seem to be any notabilty. Odd closure of the first AfD. Xxanthippe (talk) 07:19, 9 August 2024 (UTC),[reply]
Delete - so some published articles in notable publications, but no sources talking about her as a subject. There is one brief mention of one of her articles in one book. I don't see how the threshold for WP:GNG would be passed here. --Soman (talk) 11:16, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. We have the usual problem with articles about journalists, that it is difficult to find sources about her because they are masked by so many other articles that are by her rather than about her. But it is the sources about her that we need to have an article here, our current article doesn't supply any, and I didn't find any. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sophia Moestrup

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Last AfD almost 7 years ago was no consensus. I don't think she meets WP:BIO or WP:PROF. LibStar (talk) 04:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Catfurball (talk) 17:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I'll make some edits, and you'll see if it still should be deleted. Sophia 71.191.12.87 (talk) 15:23, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. My opinion from 7 years ago remains valid today: for someone whose most prominent activity is book editing, we'd need a lot more evidence for notability as a book editor such as heavily reviewed books with reviews discussing her role as editor rather than the scattering of reviews of co-edited volumes that I found ([11] [12] [13]). Nothing else stands out as likely to provide notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This person doesn't meet WP:NPROF and I agree with David Eppstein that there's not enough to substantiate notability as an editor. Qflib (talk) 22:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yam Kaspers Anshel

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A first runner-up Miss Israel who did not place in the Miss Universe pageant doesn't merit an article. All I'm seeing is "What 7 Miss Universe contestants look like without makeup on" in Business Insider India. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Doesn't pass the GNG. gidonb (talk) 16:03, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jyoti Punwani

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I found no significant coverage for this journalist. SL93 (talk) 23:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, fails WP:GNG. All sources are from the reporting of the subject not what other sources are reporting about the subject. Ednabrenze (talk) 08:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Natasha Arben

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Lacks independent, sig/in-depth coverage in RS and does not meet NMODEL. Earlier PROD'd by @Voorts: Flagged as UPE. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:24, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per my PROD and nom. The sources that were added since my PROD are either unreliable or borderline and don't contain significant coverage. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:20, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I believe this meets WP:NMODEL. According to WP:NMODEL: This guideline applies to actors, voice actors, comedians, opinion makers, pornographic actors, models, and celebrities. Such a person may be considered notable if: (1) The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

In this case of this young model, Natasha Arben as I read from the page, she "has appeared in the Frontis Piece of Country Life Magazine,^[1] and has appeared on the front covers of L'Officiel Monaco,^[2], L’Officiel Cyprus^[3] and L’Officiel Ibiza.^[4]"

For me, these features can be classified as significant roles according to WP:NMODEL. She didn't pay the magazines to feature her on their covers. She earned these organically and meritoriously as a professional model. This is the major reason I de-prodded the page. Let other editors weigh in on this. Maltuguom (talk) 18:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maltuguom, I don't believe the coverage meets the GNG. The coverage stem from interviews, which is not independent of the subject. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Miss Natasha Eloise Arben". everand.com. 23 June 2021. Retrieved 25 April 2024.
^ "Elegance Incarnate: Natasha Arben's Digital Cover Story". lofficielmonaco.com. 24 August 2023. Retrieved 25 April 2024.
^ "Interview With Digital Cover Star Olivia Arben and Natasha Arben". lofficiel.cy. 24 August 2023. Retrieved 25 April 2024.
^ "Elegance Incarnate: Natasha Arben's Digital Cover Story". lofficielibiza.com. 25 August 2023. Retrieved 25 April 2024.

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Delete: She might meet notability with the covers above, but you still need sourcing that talks about her. I don't find sources that talk about her, outside of photospreads or celebrity gossip articles. Nothing found for extensive coverage of her in RS Oaktree b (talk) 19:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revenge Wife

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Fails WP:BIO. Schierbecker (talk) 02:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I've found quite a few interviews with music magazines but that's all primary sources. I've struggled to find anything independent of her interviews. Fails WP:SINGER and WP:BIO as it stands. Knitsey (talk) 19:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Margarete of Thurn and Taxis

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No significant coverage in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject and each other. The only notable source currently is a notice of her wedding in the New York Times, so her article can be redirected to her husband's which already covers that event. All the other mentions are trivial or directory entries. DrKay (talk) 18:33, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Alessandro, 1st Duke of Castel Duino (although I doubt the Duke's notability as well). I have been unable to find significant coverage in reliable sources. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Duke is barely notable so why redirect it to him? He is probably less notable than Margarete because all that's really stated on his page is his marriages and issue. Azarctic (talk) 15:25, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep she is notable for her wedding (WP:1E) where she obviously played a significant part in. the event was notable because most ruling princely families in Europe were represented at the wedding. And some sources are secondary but reliable (WP:BASIC). Azarctic (talk) 17:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1E says we likely shouldn't create an article for a person who is only notable for one event. It doesn't establish a person's notability. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know that but that isn’t the only thing she’s notable for and WP:1E is if the person plays a significant role in an event and if the individual is notable then it should be put into their article. Also that’s just one of the reasons why we should keep the article because it goes into depth about the event as well as her biography which has reliable citations. Azarctic (talk) 16:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't even think the wedding is notable in itself (if it was there would be more than just a notice in the NYT) but what is this other thing they are notable for that you are alluding to but not actually stating? I can't seem to see it in the article. D1551D3N7 (talk) 23:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if it isn’t notable which it is, why should her page be deleted it still has enough coverage, her husband and father are probably less notable as her husband has only one reference so if anything he should be redirected/deleted, not Margarete’s page which should not be redirected or deleted. Azarctic (talk) 14:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. Article only contains information about relationships to family members and her wedding, nothing to indicate independent notability. D1551D3N7 (talk) 23:58, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is what most articles on Wikipedia are like though. Especially royalty ones because marriage is a big event in royalty. And not once has the article mentioned anything about relationships to family members except for her birth and marriage which is usual for a Wikipedia biography. Azarctic (talk) 00:31, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is considered an argument to avoid. 66.99.15.163 (talk) 13:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. No less notable than her husband or father, both of whom have extensive articles. Plenty of RS coverage to substantiate notability. Gamaliel (talk) 23:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete. The keep arguments are variants of 'she was present at one notable event' or 'we have articles on other non-notable people that she's related to'. These are arguments for deletion not retention. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:09, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You haven’t even made a proper reason to delete the article. Azarctic (talk) 20:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, being present at one notable event does not make that attendee notable, nor does having non-notable relatives. Celia Homeford (talk) 07:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So your saying your vote to deleting it is because she was not notable at one notable event… I don’t think that’s a proper reason still… Azarctic (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep I would have advocated for a redirect to the articles on his father or husband but they don't appear to be more notable than her. In any case, I don't think the article should be entirely deleted because there is some coverage in outside sources. Keivan.f^Talk 14:06, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Keep the page as she was not known only after her marriage to Prince Gaetano of Bourbon-Parma. I have some information about her that is present in some books on the house of Bourbon-Parma (the one by Juan Balanso in French and another in Italian). If I have time I will try to add information. I thank the creator of the page. I was just thinking of creating the page on Princess Margarete myself.
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keep per above. IMO, she is enough to be notable per GNG. 81.231.253.231 (talk) 20:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC) — 81.231.253.231 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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Martha Mbugua

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No satisfactory sources in the article, and a quick search didn't find any. Note: this was prompted by a request at the help desk on behalf of the subject. ColinFine (talk) 18:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also found this in the help desk, for me personally, I suggest keeping the article, my reason is because she co-founded (is that correct?) the biggest law firm in Kenya, and is one of the top 40 most popular women from Kenya.

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User:TheNuggeteer, more important than your opinion on this subject is how you would counter the reasons offered in the deletion rationale. What sources support your claim of notability? Please be specific. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, sources 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 are the sources which prompt me to give the "keep" reply. She does not seem notable outside the business, I'll give you that, but being one of the top 40 women from a country is enough for me.🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 05:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheNuggeteer, please read what Wikipedia means by notable. 2 and 6 do not mention her. 3 and 7 (which are the same source) has a potted biography, but is mostly quoting her. 5 gives me a 404, but judging by its title, I would be amazed if it had significant coverage of her. 8 and 9 give potted biographies, but are almost certainly not independent.

Sources used to establish notability need to meet all three criteria in WP:42. ColinFine (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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My comments only: Firstly, several of the sources are actually the same. Secondly, appearing in a list of “40 under 40” is not the same thing as “one of the 40 most popular women.” Finally, we need to decide whether being a partner in Dentons, by far the largest law firm in the World, creates a legal notability by itself. This discussion might have to go more than a few days. In the meantime, please ping me if you find additional sources. Bearian (talk) 08:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Darby Lloyd Rains

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16 years ago when this was first nominated it was allowed on a technical sng pass and someone noted it needed sourcing. Well 16 years later it's entirely bereft of a reliable source and pornbio has been consigned to the ranks of deprecated guidelines. Fails gng and ent. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with at least three significant roles in notable films. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC) (Added a few sources, more sources exist).[reply]
Can you list the films and roles please

And the sources added? Ta Spartaz ^Humbug! 00:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please read the page, check page history and the link "edits since nomination" on this page. Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Per nom. M S Hassan (talk | contributions) 09:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except the nom's concerns have been addressed. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He obviously disagrees with your assertion. You stated she had 3 significant roles in notable films. What were they? The Wp:onus is on you to show what they are here. Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
’Obviously’? So the page still has no source? OK. I will assume good faith then. As for the rest of your comment, unless you are joking (it’s rather funny), I will assume good faith too: again, just read the page. You need to click on the title of the article on top of this page. I’m not going to copy paste the whole page here. And, by the way, what did you find during your BEFORE? Also, during the 1st AfD, the page was not ’allowed on technical sng pass’ but with a reference to (ANY)BIO (no technical mention of PORNBIO) and with a mention of ’definitely some claims to notability’. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:04, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additional comment: Lloyd Rains also clearly meets the requirements for the notability of actors for another reason: her prolific and noted contributions to the field; and probably passes the threshold for general notability requirements given the amount of ’’multiple independent sources" mentioning her importance in the said field, her roles and performances..-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reply to relist aside: Yes, we certainly are. Especially in the Golden Age of Porn and with directors and artists that had such a strong and honest conviction they were playing an important part in the underground culture of their time and in the history of film. Various films with Lloyd Rains are genre films (horror, thriller, etc) that go far beyond what could be described as "porn" in a derogative way. And various sources, some used as references in the article (you will note that I used no sources from inside the "adult industry" and they include extremely notable and reliable film magazines and scholarship) about her films and performance do indeed mention that point, some in awe at the quality of the productions and at Lloyd Rains's abilities as an actress (one review finds her acting "insufferable", though; and that's not my opinion, which does not count and has nothing to do with my !vote and reply). Now, one might disagree and consider the result has no value, is immoral, tasteless, shocking, silly and trash, and not like it. But it's definitely a "field" in my opinion and her contributions to it were clearly prolific, and noted. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aside: I was not even thinking about "porn" when I wrote my additional comment (but about film in general). But, yes, I do think "pornography" is a field. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'll close this discussion according to policy and consensus despite my own view of this "profession". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:09, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I never doubted you would. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You know that none of what you said relates to any policy and your assertion of special treatment of porn is belied by the depreciation of pornbio Spartaz ^Humbug! 10:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What are you even talking about? I don’t understand it but I do feel the tone and implication of your comment are rather not nice. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:06, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. I have spent too much of my volunteer time checking much of the article's supposed references, and they are just a WP:REFBOMB of trivial mentions and unreliable sources that do not meet WP:GNG. Elspea756 (talk) 13:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Denny Draper

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Only secondary sources in the article and found during WP:BEFORE check are match reports with surface level coverage of the subject. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I am happy with the sources in the article, young player with on going career, although somewhat primary heavy, there seems enough to show basic. Govvy (talk) 23:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources do you believe contain significant coverage of the subject? AlexandraAVX (talk) 06:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GNG and SIGCOV is only intended for non-specific topics per WP:SNG. Please see BASIC and SPORTBASIC for notability of people (basic criteria) as well as for athletes (additional criteria per WP:SPORTSPERSON). Hence there is a distinct difference for people compared to general topics: "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". CNC (talk) 16:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. All I see here are primary sources, passing mentions, and some YouTube clips. Let'srun (talk) 14:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (contributor). I tried improving this to bring it back to mainspace, based on elements of BASIC per SPORTBASIC (the guidelines that covers the notability of people and athletics), as a combination of secondary sources, rather than the need for exclusive SIGCOV (the guidelines that covers the notability of general topics). So far there is Sky Sports and BBC for this, which I believe is beyond trivial, and borderline BASIC per Govvy comment. It's otherwise unfortunately that the BBC's Women's Football Show episodes are no longer available, as I remember distinct post-game coverage of Draper after her initial goal; that of her international career, prospects and style of play (beyond ROUTINE), that would certainly cross the threshold for basic notability (people and sports-related). I'll try find a copy of this somewhere to see if it could be used as a cite av media ref, even if not possible as an online source. I think it's also fair to assume basic based on "they have achieved success in a major international competition at the highest level", that of being top scorer in the U17 Euro qualifying, as subjectively the U17 Euros are the highest level of competition at that age range, though I can understand how this is intended for senior competitions only, as well as only a guide to likelihood of notability, as opposed to notability itself. Either way, it wouldn't be too much of a loss if the page get's deleted, as I suspect there will be SIGCOV soon enough for it to return. It would be unfortunate for an active WSL player to have their page deleted, but based on policy/coverage it'd be understandable. I can only assume it's age-related as to why there isn't further coverage, given she would be one of the very few active WSL players to have scored a league goal and not have an article. CNC (talk) 16:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Have added a third source for notability [14], so per above comment, that should cover SPORTBASIC. The online source is unavailable, but can be verified here, or otherwise by requesting archival footage from the BBC for non-commercial purposes if preferred (but otherwise nothing wrong with citing media as RS per WP:PUBLISHED). I realise as well that ROUTINE only covers local sources for sport, so with BBC and Sky Sports, game coverage counts for multiple sig cov. At least, I think it's hard to argue that coverage of scoring the winning goal in an important game isn't significant. We can get round to the YT argument if needed, but as it's a verified account from a reliable source (Sky Sports Football) it is "inheriting their level of reliability" per WP:RSPYOUTUBE so shouldn't be needed. CNC (talk) 17:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Routine is definitely not restricted to local sources; per policy: For example, routine news coverage of announcements, events, sports, or celebrities, while sometimes useful, is not by itself a sufficient basis for inclusion of the subject of that coverage. NSPORT's requirement that local sources cannot be routine game coverage does not mean only local sources can be routine game coverage. The video is primary and does not contain encyclopedic coverage: it is routine match commentating and amounts to no more than a sentence or two at most: absolutely not SIGCOV. If this was sufficient for NSPORT purposes we would have articles on every DI and probably DII college football player. JoelleJay (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for the reasons stated above, but also worth adding here that Draper recently signed a pro contract with Leicester. Until now, her WSL appearances had been as an academy player mostly coming off the bench, so reasonable chance of her making match day squads more often. Delete this article and we could end up having to restore it long before Christmas. Leonstojka (talk) 17:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The sources present in the article seem enough to WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sourcing is far too weak and transactional to meet GNG and especially YOUNGATH, and SPORTCRIT is absolutely not met by one or two sentences of unscripted video commentary on one match. JoelleJay (talk) 23:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There is no instance of WP:SIGCOV in an independent, reliable source as required under WP:NSPORT, and thus the subject also fails WP:GNG which requires multiple instances. Sourcing is limited to WP:ROUTINE match coverage, stats pages, and coverage in affiliated sources. Per a "keep" voter's assertion that she may become more notable in the future given her career prospects, I would be open to a "draftify" outcome if others believe that would be productive; ping me if so and I'll reconsider my current !vote. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify as this appears to be the case that notability is not quite there, but due to the age of the subject and current state of the article, 'sufficient' notability could exist within the next year. C 679 10:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bhavadhaarini

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[1] "Miss Natasha Eloise Arben". everand.com. 23 June 2021. Retrieved 25 April 2024.

[LOL-2] "Elegance Incarnate: Natasha Arben's Digital Cover Story". lofficielmonaco.com. 24 August 2023. Retrieved 25 April 2024.

[3] "Interview With Digital Cover Star Olivia Arben and Natasha Arben". lofficiel.cy. 24 August 2023. Retrieved 25 April 2024.

[4] "Elegance Incarnate: Natasha Arben's Digital Cover Story". lofficielibiza.com. 25 August 2023. Retrieved 25 April 2024.

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