Bodhisattwa

What exactly was wrong with my edits to Q2085381 that warranted them being reverted? A lot of the stuff I removed or changed was totally nonsensical and pointless.

Hello @Adamant1:, you have changed publishing company (Q2085381) radically without any explanation creating a lot of constraints in several items related to publishers and that is why I had to revert it. Since, you have reverted my edit again, I will not revert your edit and engage in edit war. I guess, its better for the admins to decide. I am pinging @Mahir256: to have a look. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 07:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

If you disagreed that any particular thing shouldn't have been removed or otherwise changed the appropriate thing to do would have to add back the individual things that you think should still be included. A lot of the items are clearly nonsense though. For instance "different from editor-in-chief." No one confuses a publisher company for the editor-in-chief of one. It's tangential, but I'm really not a fan of how you went and cried to an administrator the second I messaged you about it instead of discussing it with me first. We're both adults who can resolve our own issues without crying to an admin at the slightest disagreement like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum. We're both adults here and this isn't grade school were the default is to whine to a teacher to get our way about something the second there's a disagreement.

@Adamant1:, Personally, I do not engage with any editor, when there is a slightest chance of edit war and leave matter to others who regularly deal with them. This is because I have found it several times in my fair share in Wikimedia that such engagements can be very time consuming and energy draining, which I do not have much to afford nowadays, frankly. I also understand that you might have a different way of viewing things. Anyway, I like the way, you tried to portray me as a whining and spoiled child throwing a tantrum to a teacher in a second grade school, that was hilarious and I had a good laugh.

I don't think I regularly or otherwise deal with Mahir256. So I'm not really sure what your talking about there. Same goes for edit waring thing. I took the time to message you about it and have said that I don't care if you re-add specific items to the entry that you think shouldn't have been removed. So there is no edit war here. I'm simply trying to figure out what the best option for the entry is here. I'm sorry if you find that time consuming and draining, but communicating with other users about issues is pretty a basic requirement on projects like this. And as to the last part of your comment, that's how it comes off when a user immediately pings an administrator who they are clearly friendly with to play defense for them instead of at least attempting to resolve the issue themselves first.

I have no problem with Mahir256 giving their opinion, but pinging them shouldn't have been the thing you did the second I left the message. That's not what administrator's exist for and it doesn't help that you did the same exact thing a few years ago when we had the disagreement about bank branches in India. So it's pretty clear you have zero ability to resolve disagreements on your own without crying to an admin and having them intervene on your behalf. Again, like a child running to a teacher in grade school. It's find if you find that funny, but personally I don't. It's just needlessly confrontational, corrupt, and against the collaborative nature of this. I don't think it's good or appropriate to laugh off core principles of the project like that either. It just makes it seems like you don't take this or working with users to improve the project seriously. I do though.

J'aurais aimé savoir quel est l'intérêt d'ajouter le lien page d'index Wikisource (P1957) aux items.

Je te remercie pour l'information.

In most situations, linkages were first set up manually on each work in each Wikisource. Those were transferred to Wikidata, and removed from the Wikisource pages. Deleting those links here removes all that work and breaks the linkages between works and Wikisource pages. Yes, they should be moved to their own data items, but that won't happen if the links are instead removed without correcting them.

@EncycloPetey:, understood, thanks. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 16:11, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

poetry (Q482) is a literary style, not a literary form. That is, any portion of writing can be described by this description, such as a page from within a larger work. The work as a whole is what has a form, and the form is describes as being a poem (Q5185279). "Form" of a work is the word that applies to the complete work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey:, Ok, makes sense. But then, poetry (Q482) needs to be corrected as it shows the statement instance of (P31): literary form (Q4263830) and the English Wikipedia says that too. Frankly, the way, all the literary forms and genres, interchangeably used on Wikimedia sites are fairly confusing and needs attention to fix.

Wikipedia is not using the same precision of language as Wiktionary or Wikidata. And "literary form" is not the same as "form of a creative work". It's only relatively recently that the net of conflicting labels in this area has started to be teased apart, and there is probably a lot remaining to be done. In this situation poetry (Q482) is probably listed as a literary form (Q4263830) because there is nothing else suitable for it to be listed under. I've been in this discussion with someone else, and we could not find language anywhere in Wikidata suitable for expressing the idea of poetry (Q482) as a literary constructive style. It's opposite is prose (Q676).

@EncycloPetey:, agreed, but we need to centralize a list of literary styles, forms and genres, that will be visible for all, may be somewhere at WD:Books. Otherwise, there will be a high chance of repeated errors and edit conflicts. I will stop adding the forms and genres until that is done. It would be great if you take the initiative. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 17:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Mr. Bodhisattwa! I'm Nilabrata (alias NLBRT) from West Bengal. I am an Active Contributor on OpenStreetMap and came to learn about the Wikidata Project Happening in West Bengal at the recently organised IndiaFOSS 3.0, courtesy of Mr. Ranjith from Wikidata Kerala.

I am really interested in learning how to add stuff on Wikidata, which I reckon is also a powerful way to link similar things (like Brands with similar stores/outlets, PSUs, Bank ATMs/Branches) to OSM Data very quickly.

You may contact me via Telegram (@Nilabrata), Matrix (@nlbrt:matrix.org) or XMPP (nlbrt@jabbers.one). Thank you.

Hi Nilabrata! Nice to meet you. I have sent a welcome message to your talk page, where you can find all the relevant basic links about editing Wikidata. I hope, that would help you in working on this database. I will try to help you as best as I can, if you need. Its always nice to have a fellow OSM contributor within us and as you are from West Bengal, we are even more lucky to have you. Hope we will meet in person some day and have a conversation.

First things first, thanks a lot for offering the resources, I'll certainly check them out and start contributing accordingly!

Second, yes, I am from West Bengal, but I live far up in the North (i.e, Jalpaiguri (View on OSM)). However, I reckon the distance won't ruin the chances for a meetup! :D

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Please do not remove links to Wikisource as you did here. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:27, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Noted. It was a mistake to remove the English and Spanish sitelinks. Apologies for that. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 05:58, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Greetings Xs4yc979qjf2ax48!

As part of Wikidata's 11th birthday celebration a 11 days long datathon is planned from October 26, 2023 00:00 to November 5, 2023, 23:59 (both times Indian Standard Time) to improve the India related data in Wikidata. The data-thon aims to enhance Wikidata items by incorporating labels and descriptions in your native language, along with the addition of references, qualifiers, and statements. Additionally, it encourages the utilization of India-related properties within these items, ultimately contributing to the improvement of structured data in Wikidata.

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Hi Bodhisattwa,

the names of the candidates are broken. Iis Krishnasamy Vandayar.T (Q64001384) a son of K. Thulasiah Vandayar (Q16091346) ?

@U. M. Owen:, most likely so. See for reference. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 05:01, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Q118583762 থেকে উইকিমিডিয়া ইউজার গ্রুপ সরিয়ে দেওয়ার কারণটা যদি বলেন। তাছাড়া আপনি কোনো সারাংশও দেননি সেখানে।

কারণ এটা কোন ইউজার গ্ৰুপ নয়। ইউজার গ্ৰুপ হিসেবে বিবেচিত হতে হলে affcom এর স্বীকৃতি লাগে, যা এর নেই। ইউজার গ্ৰুপ উইকিমিডিয়র এক ধরণের অফিশিয়াল সংগঠন। তাই স্বীকৃতি না পাওয়া অব্দি ইউজার গ্ৰুপ হিসেবে এটিকে মার্ক করা ঠিক না।

আমি যদ্দুর জানি ইউজার গ্রুপের স্বীকৃতি পেলে ট্রেডমার্ক ও আনুষঙ্গিক কিছু বিষয়ের অনুমতি মিলে। স্বীকৃতি ছাড়াও ইউজার গ্রুপগুলো ইউজার গ্রুপই হয়ে থাকে। অন্তত মেটার ডকুমেন্টেশন তাই বলে। যদিও এমনটা হতে পারে যে আমার বুঝতে ভুল হচ্ছে কোথাও।

স্বীকৃতি পেলে তবেই ইউজার গ্ৰুপ নাম ব্যবহারেরও অনুমতি মেলে। নইলে যে কেউ যখন তখন যেখানে সেখানে ইউজার গ্ৰুপ বানিয়ে ফেলত।

মেটা উইকিতে আলাদা টেমপ্লেট এবং বিষয়শ্রেণীই আছে কেবল অনুমতিহীন ইউজার গ্রুপের জন্য। আর আপনি কিনা  বলছেন যে নামে ইউজার গ্রুপের জন্যেও অনুমতি লাগে। ইউজার গ্রুপ অনুমতি পাওয়ার আগে তাহলে তাদের নামকরণ ও প্রকল্প পাতায় তো ইউজার গ্রুপ উল্লেখ করবেই। আমার কাছে পুরা ব্যাপারটা অদ্ভূত ঠেকছে যে আপনি এরকম প্রতিবন্ধক ধাঁচের আচরণ কেন করছেন যেখানে কেউ কারও বিরোধী নই আমরা। পুরো ব্যাপারটাই বিস্ময়কর! আমি আশা করব সম্ভাব্য ইউজার গ্রুপের কার্যক্রম বা পলিসিগত কোনো সমস্যা থাকলে তা শোধরে দেবেন এবং সহযোগিতা করবেন, এরকম অসহযোগিতামূলক কার্যক্রম না করে। আপাতত হতভম্ব হওয়া ছাড়া আমার আর কিছু করার নেই, ধন্যবাদ।

অসহযোগিতার প্রশ্ন উঠছে কেন? যখন Wikimedians of the Asia Pacific User Group (Q118583762) স্বীকৃতি পাবে, আপনি নির্দ্বিধায় আমার এডিট রিভার্ট করে দিতে পারেন। উইকিমিডিয়া ইউজার গ্ৰুপ স্বীকৃত গ্ৰুপগুলিকেই বলা হয় বলেই জানি। সবাই যেমন নিজেদের চ্যাপ্টার বলতে পারে না, ঠিক তেমনি স্বীকৃতির আগে সবাই ইউজার গ্ৰুপ হিসেবে দাবি করতে পারে না। তবে আবেদন করার জন্য স্বীকৃতি পাওয়ার জন্য ইউজার গ্ৰুপের নাম জুড়তে অসুবিধে নেই, কিন্তু উইকিডাটাতে স্বীকৃতি পাওয়ার আগেই তো P31 হিসেবে উইকিমিডিয়া ইউজার গ্ৰুপ তো লিখতে পারেন না। এটা বুঝতে অসুবিধা কোথায়? যেমন ধরুন, যখন ইউজার গ্ৰুপদের স্বীকৃতি চলে যায়, তখন তাদের P31 ও পাল্টে দেওয়া হয়, এটা সবার জন্যই হয়ে থাকে, উদাহরণ স্বরূপ Wikipedians of Goa User Group (Q113291130) দেখুন।

অসহযোগিতার কথা P31 প্রসঙ্গে বলিনি। যাইহোক, P31 সরাতেই পারেন আপনি তবে সারাংশ দিলে আমাকে আলাপ পাতা পর্যন্ত আসতে হতো না। বাকি বিষয়ে আর কথা বাড়াতে আগ্রহ পাচ্ছি না। ভালো থাকুন, সুস্থ থাকুন।

আমি যেভাবে statement সরিয়েছি, সেভাবে করলে আলাদা করে সারাংশ দেওয়া যায় না। উপায় থাকলে নিশ্চয় সারাংশ দিতাম।