Commons:Deletion requests/File:USMC War Memorial Night.jpg

Felix de Weldon died in 2003 and holds copyright of the sculpture. The photo might be PD but the sculpture is not per FOP-US Brad101 (talk) 19:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep It is a photograph of the sculpture, not a copy of it. There are other elements, the lighting, the sky, the trees, etc. This is the photographer's artistic interpretation. There are many photographs of copyrighted sculptures in commons, see Category:Love by Robert Indiana, do you think all of those should be deleted? --rogerd (talk) 20:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, that's not a valid argument. See Commons:Derivative works. Luckily, Robert Indiana failed to put copyright notices on most of his LOVE sculptures (with the exception of one at Wichita State University), so most of those photos are OK. howcheng {chat} 23:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Is there any reason to think that this memorial, which seems to be on federal land and government-owned, wasn't commissioned by the US Marine Corps and therefore in the public domain? Dominic (talk) 21:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • sadly, after the Commons:Deletion requests/Images of Korean War Veterans Memorial lawsuit, it's clear that commissioned art is copyright artist. however, if the artist was a government employee, then PD. if we want FOP like UK, we need to lobby congress. easy non free rationale though. Slowking4 (talk) 00:52, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
•  Keep The SIRIS record does indeed state that Felix de Weldon owns the copyright and that the copyright statement is on the sculpture itself. Being copyrighted in 1954, the copyright would have expired in 1983 it would have required renewal at that time. In the Library of Congress copyright records for de Weldon, there are two entries for "Marines raising flag on IWO-JIMA", but neither of them were created 1982 or 1983 (one is in 1986 and the other is 1993), so {{PD-US-not renewed}} is probably applicable. howcheng {chat} 23:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• migrate to en:wikipedia with Non free 3D art. (hmm - what is the status of a renewal too late, but registered? is that the copy published date, not unveiling?) Slowking4 (talk) 00:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hard to say if those renewals apply to this specific statue—de Weldon made a bunch of these over the years. howcheng {chat} 05:04, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I updated the licensing per Howcheng's instructions. Brad (talk) 09:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See also Commons:Deletion requests/Category:USMC War Memorial, in which the entire category of photos of the monument was kept. howcheng {chat} 18:54, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's all good. The article en:United States Marine Corps is up for featured article review and the photo licensing needs to be top notch. Thanks for your help. Brad (talk) 10:09, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: Listing as PD-US-not renewed James F. (talk) 17:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This file was initially tagged by Bruxton as Copyvio (copyvio) and the most recent rationale was: No freedom of panorama for 3d sculptures in the United States, the sculpture is was dedicated in 1954. Felix de Weldon (the sculptor) died in 2003 Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:28, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not tag photos for speedy deletion based solely on FoP issues. This image is visible on a Wikivoyage page, where we have a free use policy that allows us to upload photos locally for fair use, but we can't upload a speedily deleted file that no longer exists, so we (and any other wikis using this image) need time to take care of this. Thanks for your future cooperation with existing Commons guidelines. Also note the thread above about the non-renewal of the copyright. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:31, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep based on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_in_Category:Marine_Corps_War_Memorial Famartin (talk) 17:44, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The United States does not have FOP for sculpture especially when the sculpture is copyrighted. I believe that the copyright was renewed several times including in the year 2000: Document Number: V3456D053 Date of Recordation: 2000-08-11 Entire Copyright Document: V3456 D53 P1-3 Date of Execution: 23Apr98; date of cert.; 7Aug00 Title: Head of David & 6 other titles; sculptures / By Felix DeWeldon, artist. Notes: Agreement. Party 1: Charles Huller & Felix DeWeldon. Links: List of titles: 001 Head of David. 002 Discus thrower. 003 Bust of Kennedy. 004 Iwo Jima war memorial. 005 Pieta. 006 Brudus. 007 Colossus of Rhodes. Names: Huller, Charles DeWeldon, Felix. The rest of my rationale has been copied into the nomination above. Bruxton (talk) 04:31, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The record that you found is not for a renewal: all renewal copyright numbers start with "RE", and the record will actually say "Renewal registration for" (example). So the record you found is for another version of the statue. —howcheng {chat} 07:43, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Howcheng: , The artist may have registered the sculpture in 1977. Then in 1993 he apparently registered VAu000265428- (Title: Marines raising flag on IWO-JIMA). In any event I do not think we can assume that the copyright was not renewed. Seems he was active in copyrights and this sculpture was his pièce de résistance. Bruxton (talk) 13:44, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That article only states that he visited the office in 1977, but for the sake of due diligence, I searched the 1977 records for "Felix Weldon" and found no results. I also tried "Iwo Jima" and there were no relevant results (besides, the statue wasn't even eligible for renewal yet). I get what you're saying about him being attentive to copyrights (here is the original 1954 registration), and if you find the evidence that he renewed it, I will 100% support deletion. —howcheng {chat} 17:03, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: no valid reason for deletion - no renewal. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 12:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]