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Included deadname?

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Hi GRuban, and thanks for creating the article. I'm seeing plenty of coverage of Henig under his deadname, but at a glance it looks like local sports news coverage, all from when Henig was a minor. I don't think we'd have determined that Henig was notable pre-transition. You're obviously far more familiar with the sources than I am. Do you think the criterion in MOS:DEADNAME is met here? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:01, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Izzi is not his deadname, it's a gender-agnostic nickname. He specifically asked me to avoid his birth name (which also shows up in a few early articles), but was all right with Izzi. You will notice he used Izzi to sign the New York Times article he wrote about his coming out! --GRuban (talk) 18:11, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Got it. Thanks! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:15, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I made it more clear in the text. --GRuban (talk) 18:52, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk13:17, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to mainspace by GRuban (talk). Self-nominated at 19:52, 13 January 2023 (UTC).[reply]

  • General:
    • New: Moved to mainspace a day before the nomination.
    • Long enough: Well past 1500 characters
    • Within policy: Well-cited. Copyvio detector came back negative. Prose is neutral. I'm not going to hold up the nomination over this, but some regard the terminology "female-to-male" and "male-to-female" as outdated: what terms do Henig and Thomas use to describe themselves?
  • Hook:
  • Other:
    • QPQ: Verified.
    • Images: Instagram page for the photo does in fact say it's CC licensed.

Overall: Good to go unless anyone wants to improve on ALT1. Apocheir (talk) 01:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Will ask Henig what terminology he prefers, I don't have a contact with Thomas. I am reluctant to use the words "exchanged wins" rather than "alternated", because "exchanged" has an implication of it being voluntary, and you'll see there was actually an accusation that Thomas let Henig win the first time, which I don't want to endorse by implication. --GRuban (talk) 19:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Apocheir and Newimpartial: Henig responded:
I don't mind "ftm" (and I'm not sure exactly what the 'up-to-date' terminology is) but it could be worth cutting from the article because it does note in the next line down that I was assigned female at birth. Not sure about Lia's preference. I can shoot her a text.
What he says about "the next line down" is the first section as opposed to the lede. The lede is supposed to summarize the article, so it does need to be there, however it is phrased. Also pinging User:Newimpartial in case they do know what the up-to-date terminology is. --GRuban (talk) 19:12, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Apocheir and Newimpartial: Henig writes again!
Hey George, Heard back from Lia and wanted to follow up. She said, "I find “male-to-female” to be a little clunky. I’d say just use “trans woman” since that’s how I would describe myself. Also, if they can change it I spell my middle name 'Kathryn.'"
Henig doesn't say explicitly he prefers that terminology, but also doesn't say he objects, so I think we can assume he at least approves. Also, if nothing else, it's shorter. So I'll rephrase that in the article, and in this proposed hook:
As for the middle name in our article Lia Thomas, of course an email from her via Henig via me is pretty much the opposite of a reliable source that we can cite, but I will be digging around to see if there is a source that we can use for "Kathryn", and if so will do that. --GRuban (talk) 15:03, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]