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This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations: Rebecca Speare-Cole (19 December 2019). "Sir Keir Starmer at centre of Wikipedia 'millionaire' row ahead of expected Labour leadership bid". Evening Standard. Retrieved 19 December 2019. But Sir Keir - who this week insisted he came from working class roots - has already found himself at the centre of controversy after a reference to him being a "millionaire" was added and removed several times from his page. Alex Matthews (19 December 2019). "WIKISNEAKS Sir Keir Starmer's Wikipedia page edited to remove reference to being a 'millionaire' ahead of Labour leadership bid". The Sun (United Kingdom). Retrieved 19 December 2019. SIR Keir Starmer's Wikipedia page has been edited to remove a reference to him being a "millionaire" ahead of his bid to be Labour leader. The text was taken off the site early on Tuesday morning and was reportedly tracked back to an internet address in North London. Carly Read (19 December 2019). "Who doesn't want to be a millionaire? Labour leadership contender Keir Starmer in Wikipedia WAR over how rich he is: Claim is added then removed three times in two days". Daily Mail. Retrieved 22 December 2019. Sir Keir Starmer is at the centre of a 'Wikipedia-war' today as the word 'millionaire' was repeatedly removed from his official page. Alex Matthews (20 December 2019). "Labour's Keir Starmer embroiled in row after 'millionaire' reference on Wikipedia removed". Daily Express. Retrieved 22 December 2019. But he has already found himself embroiled in a scandal after a reference to him being a millionaire was added and removed from his Wikipedia page several times.

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In the audio of his name it isn't pronounced /ˈkɪər/ but /ˈkɪjə/ Vabadus91 (talk) 17:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is true but according to [1], the name is pronounced kɪə(ɹ). Meaning that the "ɹ" is either pronounced or not. At any rate, it ist not "r". I have the impression that the usual pronunciation is without "ɹ" or "r" - even if in Gaelic that would be pronounced. But Starmer is not Scottish. Anyway, shouldn't we use the most common pronunciation? --Bernardoni (talk) 00:05, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add to his legal career section the following:

Starmer represented Croatia at the genocide hearings at the International Court of Justice in The Hague in 2014, arguing that Serbia wanted to seize a third of Croatian territory during the 1990s war and eradicate the Croatian population. /Ivanovic, Josip (7 March 2014). "Serbia 'Tried to Eradicate Croatian Population'". Balkan Transitional Justice. 

SoupePrimordiale (talk) 11:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you guys format the following text to look more formal, grammatically correct, and easy and quick to read?

"Sir Keir Rodney Starmer KCB, KC (/ˈkɪər/ ⓘ; born 2 September 1962) is a British politician and is the current Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and has served as Leader of the Labour Party since 2020."

I suggest we change it to this:

Sir Keir Rodney Starmer KCB, KC (/ˈkɪər/ ⓘ; born 2 September 1962) is a British politician who is currently serving as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom since 2024 and as Leader of the Labour Party since 2020.

Thank you. Sratcao42 (talk) 12:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello,i would like to update the photo of kier starmer as i believe it needs to be updated to a more recent date, this is why to day i am requesting a edit request.

Thank you. buran 1314. BURAN 1314 (talk) 15:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is now changed to the official portrait of 2024. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 15:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The lead needs adjusting; at the moment, it repeats itself. Suggest something along the lines of:

  In July 2024, Starmer led Labour to a landslide victory in the 2024 general election, ending fourteen years of Conservative government. He succeeded Rishi Sunak as prime minister on 5 July 2024.

  Also, per MOS:LEADCITE, why are there so many refs in the lead, when all this is cited in the article body? Perhaps ref. the description of 'landslide'—since it's potentially a WP:WTW—but the remainder should either be in the article itself and therefore not need citing here or removed from the lead in its entirety (the stuff about union supporters, 2023 articles etc). 2.28.124.91 (talk) 16:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Why are the names of his children omitted? The information is publicly available via an easily citeable source - the General Register Office Birth Index. 146.200.29.183 (talk) 16:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because "The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons." and the source you are referring to is a primary source. SmartSE (talk) 16:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Unless the children are notable, i.e., have their own articles, it provides no meaningful information. TFD (talk) 04:31, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree not to include the names for privacy reasons. For similar reasons, the names of the daughters of Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak are not mentioned on their articles.--ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 11:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starmer's put a lot of effort into not publicly naming his children in order to preserve their privacy. Could we remove the names from this page? https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/03/wednesday-briefing-first-edition-keir-starmer-family-labour 82.18.252.168 (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - yes I should have done that from the start. SmartSE (talk) 21:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The current image is nominated for deletion so I request to update the image to File:KeirStarmerOfficialPortrait.jpeg Parabelleum (talk) 19:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Was his father really a toolmaker? I know it says so and there's a citation. But how are we really to know for sure that his father made tools for a living? 184.148.141.44 (talk) 02:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So true I have never seen him mention it ever PimmA08 (talk) 22:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, we can't really know anything for that matter. Bremps... 16:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://skwawkbox.org/2022/09/01/starmer-claims-he-knew-poverty-as-child-his-dad-owned-a-factory/ 2A00:23C5:EDB1:1:52:7C1B:64E4:8B63 (talk) 12:44, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change "since 2024" to "following elections in 2024". As previously observed, "since 2024" implies that 2024 was in the past whereas it is not. Bret Sterling (talk) 17:24, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add a link to “Rishi Sunak” to the page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishi_Sunak under the “Prime Ministers” section under the heading “Leader of the Opposition” 2A00:23EE:1158:771A:40BF:CB98:3C49:F5F5 (talk) 01:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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From my understanding, including aspects of a title in the lede (not the infobox) does not conform to other articles and thus may lack careful consideration. For example, articles on academics include merely their name (e.g. John Smith) rather than with honorary titles, like: Dr John Smith or John Smith, Ph.D (despite presenting this way in formal reports; Romanos et al., 2017). I am unaware of any guidelines outlining exceptions for Sirs.

Additionally, the placement of the honorific in the infobox is being repeatedly contested in which it is excluded or exchanged between the title and honorific sections. In my opinion, a consensus should be reached upon which an invisible comment in the infobox is added to preclude further issues.

Note that the infobox title is also used to indicate the most colloquial as opposed to formal references to the individual. For example, the Jacksepticeye article.

Димитрий Улянов Иванов (talk) 23:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MOS has specific guidelines for "Sir" which is bolded in the lede. Moreover there have been prolonged debates about "Sir" in the infobox and consensus is to follow the long-standing MOS style and to have it bolded and part of the name. "Sir" is not the same thing as "Dr" as it is a name-changing title. Atchom (talk) 00:11, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any sources that Sir is a name-changing title and is Mister also one? TFD (talk) 02:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In the section under Jeremy Corbyns leadership, the text mentions Keir Starmers time as Secretary for Brexit, there is an error as ‘Appointed’ is spelt ‘Appinted’. TaiJarrett (talk) 21:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Should Starmer's comments at the NATO summit on Palestinian statehood be added to the article? Support for the recongition of Palestinian statehood in potential opposition to the US and Israel as part of a peace process, as committed to in Labour manifesto, and affirmed as PM at a major international summit seems relevant to the premiership's foreign policy section.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-starmer-palestine-israel-usa-american-recognition/

He told journalists at the Nato summit that a ceasefire "needs to be a foot in the door for a process towards a two-state solution, a viable Palestinian state alongside a safe and secure Israel".

He said: "We don't have either of those at the moment. That is the process that we all should work on, we've been discussing it with colleagues here in bilaterals and recognising Palestine is part of that process.

"And part of that process is important, rather than the end of the process, because this is a right the Palestinian people have, it's not in the gift of anyone.

"And so far as our policy is concerned, I'll determine our policy, not follow anyone else."

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Add Skills England under domestic policy. Also, remove the random photo of Rishi Sunak under the 2024 election. 2A0A:EF40:EFE:5801:C84D:303:AECF:A0AA (talk) 15:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should we include the controversial tag to this talk page amid the ongoing riots and the criticism over his response to it, or not? ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 21:08, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No facts about the article subject are in dispute in reliable sources. He is not controversial. We don't add templates to national leaders when events occur in the country - that's not the purpose of maintenance templates. Cambial — foliar❧ 22:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify - I fully agree with you. Just wanted to see what the consensus was with templates for national leaders when events occur. Thank you for explaining this! --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 00:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May you please add that he came from an Anglican family background. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/31/the-guardian-view-on-labour-doing-god-faith-communities-can-play-a-part-in-national-renewal 164.119.5.58 (talk) 14:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article actually says that Starmer says he is "loosely" from an Anglican background, but is not religious. That is both too imprecise and insignificant for inclusion. The Anglican Church is after all the established church in England and Wales. It's slightly more significant than saying he grew up speaking English. TFD (talk) 15:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

in the first paragraph it says served which is past tense. As he is currently serving as prime minister it should read that he is serving or he serves. Can this be updated? 62.4.58.233 (talk) 07:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's called the "present perfect continuous" tense, and it's correct.

"We use the present perfect continuous for a single activity that began at a point in the past and is still continuing"

See this short video:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/learningenglish/english/features/tenses_with_georgie/ep-240216

Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 08:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One anonymous user ought not to control the article about the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia61.68.79.145 (talk) 14:59, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]