User talk:Lr775/Controversies about psychiatry

your new section
Great work! Now to think outside the box of your main source article, and to organize it in a more intuitive and user friend way, and to incorporate a few more sources and hyperlinks. Feedback refers to specific paragraph and sentences so let me know if you end up confused about any of it:

• I definitely think some subheadings will be useful here -- possibly diagnosis, scientific racism, hospitals, in the profession or something like this... you get the idea!
• Right now this focuses specifically on anti-Black racism so it would be useful to expand it just a touch --- would one of you be open to referencing this article by Kanani(RACE AND MADNESS: LOCATING THE EXPERIENCES OF RACIALIZED PEOPLE WITH PSYCHIATRIC HISTORIES IN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES) -- I had it on on the syllabus originally for 2/23 but I swapped it out for our reading of Vita! If you don't that's totally fine, I'll just flag it for a future edit! You could also note in the talk page that folks should go in and add sources relevant to other racial groups
• I do wonder if there might be a flag about this being predominantly about the U.S. and whether you should indicate that in the heading, and again suggest on Talk page that others expand to other nation's histories?
• I think definitely at least a short sentence added with a link to the Scientific racism page will be important to contextualize the first part you get into, because this is why the phenomena you describe were taking place.
• You will want a paragraph break at "Many psychiatric hospitals" because you're sort of getting into a new thread with this content about care/hospitals vs diagnoses
• Move the "All in all" sentence to before that one, change 1800s to 19th century, and perhaps that that sentence as an opportunity to link to Scientific Racism page, but you will want a source, if possible (I feel like Hogarth's Medicalizing Blackness book would do in a pinch! -- we read it very early on).
• Move the "Experts have historically attempted" paragraph up between diagnosis and hospitals and make that one the scientific racism subsection, and you can do a "see main article" little link at the very top of that subheading (lmk if you can't figure that out!)
• also, include a citation to Britt Rusert's Fugitive Science in this paragraph, maybe after the second sentence...
• Hyperlink out to Eugenics in the United States where "eugenics" comes up in this paragraph
• These two sentences need to be revised so that they don't suggest any of this is true (particularly the second of these two sentences -- add "believed to be"?) --- "Psychiatry contributed towards the belief that if they were left to their respective means, they would not be able to remain in decent condition. Because higher-order cognition was fundamentally impossible for black individuals’ brains the "weak" and other "unwanted" communities were targeted by the eugenics and sterilization initiatives."
• keep the "Until the 1960s" paragraph in the hospitals section
• do you have a source for "The number of those affected by these racist and unjust acts on vulnerable populations contributes to the lost history of Black individuals."?
• you can either cut this sentence or move it to the beginning of the paragraph "Segregation within mental institutions and hospitals is one example of the history of racism within psychiatry."
• The "during the civil rights" paragraph is the in the profession section.
• Move the last sentence of this paragraph (it has no source) to the top of the paragraph, or erase it.
• I showed Lily this book but it could get a shout out here --- Black Psychiatrists and American Psychiatry edited by Jeanne Spurlock and you can then link to her page when you mention the editor of the book (she was truly an incredible woman; I worked on her archives)

the rest/overall

• By the way, wow, I just read all of the talk page; quite a contentious fellow who now no longer exists on wikipedia kept trying to demand that this page get erased!
• I love all of the changes that you're making. If you don't mind, when you're done, could you give me an honest assessment whether you feel you have addressed any of the items in the alert box at the top of the article currently? Because if so I can begin to take some of that down as it's been there since 2017... surely not all of it is still relevant.
• When you talk about (or rather clean up where the article talks about) the removal of homosexuality from the DSM, you could maybe cite the documentary "cured" and/or mention the activist movement involved? You don't need to do additional research if you just use the sources I had assigned for that day... (3/21)
• I would suggest deleting "However, the neutrality and validity of the project is nowadays often questioned.[citation needed]" because it lacks a citation and I actually find it to be a vague/unclear and probably unnecessary sentence
• Where you add " and Szasz's "The Myth of Mental Illness." you'll want to also add a date of publication and a citation
• As I read the rest of the article I found a few easy adds/fixes if you are up for them -- add a link to the The Protest Psychosis wiki page somewhere in the Schizophrenia section; also maybe find a place to add a link to the Medical–industrial complex page within the Medicalization section

--Liliput000 (talk) 23:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]