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I question that validity of the licensing tag on [[File:Armoiries république française.svg. The license states Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 France license. but this cannot hold to be true. The design of this image was by Robert Louis (1902–1965), a heraldic artist. This person died in 1965. 1965+70 years means that it is not open until 2035 for public domain. --Bob (talk) 19:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

You are absolutely right. I didn't saw that. I will check Wikipedia policy to see if drawings in SVG of a copyrighted image can be licensed under CCA, but if it is not the case, we will have to change the license. However, I think my point remains valid: this Coat of Arms helps the reader to identify quickly the subject and such a Coat of Arms is commonly used in the header of numerous Armed Forces articles.

And again, thank you for reporting that Non-free media use. Best regards. Mouloud47 (talk) 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Just to be sure, it is not a coat of arms, but an emblem, so Commons:Commons:Coats of arms doesn't apply. --Bob (talk) 19:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I looked up, and I'm not quite categoric about the fact it is not a coat of arms (but I agree with you on the fact that it is not an official coat of arms). This drawing has a lot of different versions: see [languedoc-france.info/06141215_arms.htm here] under the section The Modern Arms of the French Republic

Variations on the same basic theme also exist. For example the design on the left was used in the nineteenth century, and the one on the right is still in use today. They both feature the fasces and olive and oak branches. The one on the left features the cypher FR and the tricolore, and the one on the right the motto of the French Republic.

Other versions can be found here, where the "emblem" has been painted in blue and adapted as a logo for the French Presidency website, and on the brand new biometric passport here, where we can see that the two letters of the monogram (=the cypher) FR are not overlapping each-other, contrary to what we can find here for example.

Furthermore, this symbol seems to have been originally conceived by the sculptor Jules-Clément Chaplain (1839-1909), and the work of Robert Louis seems to have consisted in some kind of derivative work to adapt it in order to make it comply with some of the rules of the heraldic( see [languedoc-france.info/06141215_arms.htm here] and [wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emblem_of_France here].

Moreover, even if the official site of the French Republic designates it as an "emblem", it does recognize that it has a definition (like other coat of arms)

« d'azur au faisceau de licteur posé en pal, sur deux branches de chêne et d'olivier, passées en sautoir, le tout d'or, lié par un ruban du même, chargé de la devise en lettres de sable Liberté-Egalité-Fraternité »

So I think we should be carefull about this, because we could simply consider this SVG image like a yellow, slightly manga, version of a symbol which already has a lot of existing representations. I really reckon that we need to further investigate on this before changing the license. Best regards. Mouloud47 (talk) 00:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)