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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:21, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Anime Matsuri[edit]

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Lack of reliable sources. Existing sources are photo essays or cover the subject minimally. Esw01407 (talk) 03:33, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete it does claim notability in having fairly high attendence, but this claim is entirely self-sourced. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:26, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:26, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as coverage in reliable third-party sources exist to push this across the verifiability and notability thresholds, including here, here, here, here, and here. - Dravecky (talk) 10:18, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Dravecky and WP:BEFORE, reliable sources have been found solving the AfD issue. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:11, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I must respectfully disagree, if you look into whats been posted already in the article and the new sources, you have about.com which is a questionable source, several Houston Press photo gallery's which only give blurbs about the conventions, an Houston Press article that talks more about the guest then the event, and finally the KHOU calendar, which reads like a press release and includes the statement "We do our best to ensure all information is accurate. However, it's a good idea to visit the website listed or contact the organization or venue to verify event details." I don't want to appear argumentative, and I'd love to see this article survive as it's a growing convention, but I'd rather not have another article like Anime Festival Wichita survive an AFD, and never have anything to update in years except for animecons.com guest lists. Esw01407 (talk) 22:57, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete - This is a tough one, given that I had been aware of this con's existence for quite some time. The most promising coverage would be the Houston Press coverage; unfortunately, it's all short blurbs and thus not significant coverage. I believe that About.com is reliable under certain conditions, but its page is merely a profile. And KHOU is a press release; not independent coverage. If there was any reliable, significant and independent coverage on a site like Anime News Network, then I would have surely !voted keep, but alas ANN only has press releases. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 16:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:30, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Just one more clarification, since I talked about the Houston Press coverage earlier. How reliable is Crunchyroll as a reliable source? It's not at WP:ANIME's list of sources. I'll have a look. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 17:21, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Checking the Crunchyroll stuff, I can confirm that they aren't really significant coverage. They only show a video of the event made by another website. And the Houston Press coverage, specifically the article, is mainly about the guests. The photo gallery doesn't count as significant coverage. Apparently AnimeCons.com is reliable, but it can't be used to establish notability (otherwise we'd have an article for every single anime convention in North America). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 17:24, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It is part of the nature of the subject that normal sources don't much care. For example, the 69th World Science Fiction Convention is clearly notable by normal sources but has in reality only fewer than 2500 likes on Facebook [1]. Anime Matsuri has about 7 times as many likes [2]. I know, popularity isn't notability and all that. However, I think it would be a shame to delete the article. I hope it can be merged into a broader article somehow as an alternative to deletion. Do you know into which one it could be merged?--Razionale (talk) 18:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
List of anime conventions? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 18:25, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar · · 16:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (sigh) Weak keep as creator; the sourcing is admittedly borderline for notability, but even the minor and photo-essay coverage in third-party sources is (just about) sufficient to base a minimal article on.  Sandstein  16:40, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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