Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gino Polli

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  20:56, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gino Polli[edit]

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This person appears not to be in any way notable. He served in the Italian army in the First World War, as did a lot of people, and saw action in several battles, as did a lot of soldiers. He appears to have received some passing mentions in documents of the time, but there is no in-depth coverage in the article, nor can I find any: not in Treccani, 0 hits in WorldCat, 0 hits on Google books (unless he wrote an article on Futurist art), 0 hits on JSTOR, 0 hits on Muse, 0 hits in Oxford Bibliographies. This appears to be a concoction of family history and wishful thinking, possibly with an element of misinformation (please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bianco di Lierna for an example of a possible hoax by this editor). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:18, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• curiously always you? weird right?

Obviously you can see that the problem is not the article but that this user for personal reasons want attack me continuously and personally. Always and only he, unlike many others with whom I worked with pleasure and friendship in creating this articlewhich I think was right .always do with censorship.

Here you have all the deeply sources:

• Ettore Crosignati, The Memorial of Gino Polli, publisher Crosignani, Via Olmetto, 14 (1923–1940), Cubi, GdMI, Milan, Italy, 1926
• L'Artigliere, "Figure di Combattenti che scompaiono, Un Eroe del Vittorio Veneto" ("Figures of Fighters disappear, A Hero of Vittorio Veneto"), May 1926, Rome

--Alec Smithson (talk) 14:37, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lierna_Castle a simple example, this article was not initially part of a copyright violation from external sources but a simple translation of a wikipedia article, has been blocked by him. Just because I wrote. I asked if I could translate Wikipedia administrators, and I have confirmed that the translations can be made of other languages. Maybe I would have to add in the code that was translated, but it was only in part and changed in the syntax. Well then I changed everything and reduced the contents, was no longer a copy, but my personal wrote. And I tried to lift the blockade of the page. He did not allow it to do with imperative and threatening. And you see well the page is locked to anyone interested in making censorious, and PROCURED ALARM for violations of COPYRIGHTS. THIS IS NOT RIGHT. --Alec Smithson (talk) 14:44, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:THEYDONTLIKEIT and WP:NPA. - 06:17, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:33, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:33, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:33, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Mid-ranking officer with no special achievements or notable decorations. Fails WP:SOLDIER. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:58, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This is a very detailed article, obviously done with a great deal of work, but there is little evidence of this particular person's involvement. Also, the level of detail greatly outstrips the scope of the sources. The list of battles does not belong in this article, even if there were proof that he participated. One of the main sources, the Crosignati, does not appear in the main Italian union catalog of libraries, so its existence cannot be confirmed. There is something weird about the dates "(1923-1940)" on a book published in 1926. I checked the Italian sources that are available but none gave the kind of detail I find here. Basically, the article fails verification. Great amounts of it are unsourced. In particular, sources would be needed for the military awards, but are not given. The article says that he received many medals, but the [Italian list of medalists] turns up zero for his name. I find this article puzzling, but can't find a policy that would allow us to keep it. LaMona (talk) 16:13, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this is yet another in a group of recent articles, challenged but invariably defended (although sometimes deleted or re-directed), which inflate and synthesize isolated factoids about a non-notable Italian family, location or person and list bibliographies and footnotes which don't substantiate the significance, history or connections alleged in the articles, e.g. Museo Giannino Castiglioni, Bianco di Lierna, Principality of Sperlinga, Lierna Castle, Lordship of Nanteuil (re-directed to House of Natoli). Apparently no one has found the time or means yet to interrupt this pattern, which continues to distract editors from improving the encyclopedia. If it can't be stopped, it should at least not suck up time from more productive contributions to Wikipedia. Delete. Swiftly. FactStraight (talk) 08:40, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, it's never-ending, FactStraight. Take a look at Emilio Polli, or at Polli Corporation, yet more of the same. Presumably there comes a time when this pattern of editing is considered disruptive; I've spent many hours rewriting some of these pages (Giuseppe Amisani, Giambattista Pittoni, Lierna (chair), Lierna etc.), and have received a number of (mostly barely comprehensible) personal attacks as a result.

I'm very concerned about the medals attributed to Gino Polli. While the useful site linked by LaMona appears not to be comprehensive (according to our article, the Croce al Merito di Guerra was awarded more than a million times), EricSerge's edit summary "Polli died 42 years before the founding of the Order of Vittorio Veneto. the statute establishing the Order did not provide for posthumous awards" makes me wonder (with all allowance for good faith) if we are looking not at muddled wishful thinking and poor understanding of Wikipedia practices, but at intentional dishonesty. I note that the Croce di Guerra al Valor Militare was instituted in 1922, after the end of the First World War, and that it can be awarded only in time of war ("La croce di guerra al valor militare non si conferisce altro che in tempo di guerra"). Alec Smithson, in what war did Polli receive that medal, and what is your source for this claim? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:30, 5 December 2015 (UTC

Support for general sweep, the more time I spend, the worse it is... I am not finding coherence in any place if not I am suspecting that everything is fake: I opened this meta:Vandalism_reports#79.40.139.19_-_Alec_Smithson_-_cross_wiki_spam after today's cross-wiki spam--C.R. (talk) 12:38, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Following prolonged and tedious discussion at User talk:Alec Smithson#Hoaxing #2, Alec Smithson has finally removed the Croce di guerra al valor militare from the medals attributed to Polli, so that issue at least is now resolved. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:12, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - it may be due to the language barrier but this article doesn't really establish what the subject is claimed to be notable for (not to mention some tone issues). Regardless, there does seem to be only a very limited number of sources which mention the subject, and at that the main ones are from the 1920s, which seems indicative of a lack of "significant coverage" to me per WP:GNG. Anotherclown (talk) 11:06, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, I have only recently started watching this article develop. My sole edit is noted above. It was my hope that the recent activity in this article would develop it into an article that demonstrated clear notability with an appropriate number of reliable sources. However, that level of development has not come to pass. At this point it appears to be a genealogy/family history article more suited for a blog than an encyclopedia. I also find it telling that there is no corresponding article on the Italian Wikipedia as most of the sources for this subject are likely in Italian. It would appear that Polli did his duty to his country in time of war, but his contribution was not more notable or significant than the contributions of millions of others. EricSerge (talk) 20:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No bibliography about him, no special decorations or achievements. --Carlomartini86^{(Knock-Knock)} 07:21, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I understand the author, he is creating history of his family, but will be better, if he create his own webpages about his family.--Yopie (talk) 19:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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