Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jorge Queirolo B.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Fram (talk) 09:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jorge Queirolo B.

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Was tagged for CSD per Wikipedia:ANI#Article_Jorge_Queirolo_B.. I declined to speedy because the article appears sourced and author meets minimal notability requirements with two books in a national library, see Fiebre amarilla en Zanzíbar in Chile's National Library, and Cambodia in same. That was before I saw the WP:AN/I reference. I'd feel better if we had more discussion before deciding one way or the other. I did not find any Google News or Google Scholar references. Nothing helpful on Galenet. Cheers, Dloh cierekim 21:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC) Dloh cierekim 21:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Very Strong Keep, I looked on Amazon.com and two of his books are listed there. He is obviously notable in my book. Callelinea (talk) 04:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete Please take a look here for the full rationale. This article has been created against COI policies and is a cross wiki placed vanity article. --Herby ^{talk thyme} 06:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clear vanity spam to several wikipedia projects. Mayalld (talk) 06:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete. Multi project vanity spam. His sole publishing company Ediciones Altovolta is owned by Queirolo himself. --jergen (talk) 07:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per m:Multilingual_speedy_deletions#Jorge_Queiolo_Bravo_and_related_articles. —Giggy 08:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per ANI, Jergen and Giggy. --Enric Naval (talk) 11:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Confimation that he is the owner of the editorial publishing his works: on the blog for ediciones altovolta he is the only poster, a web publishing a short history of him claims he is the owner of the editorial [1], on this web he is listed as the contact for the editorial [2]. --Enric Naval (talk) 11:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Being listed on Amazon does not convey notability. Having two books in a national library is a minimum requirement. Forgot to check for an ISBN number-- that's another. Having books in a national library is not sufficient. My reasons for bringing it here instead of Speedying the article are my lack of resources for researching Spanish language authors, my reluctance to delete unless I am certain, and the long-standing nature of the article. Cheers, Dloh cierekim 14:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Enric. The most I could get on the one link was that it said "Contemporary Authors" in Spanish, which sounded like the "Contemporary Authors" publication I use to resource articles about English language authors. Dloh cierekim 14:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In terms of es support I would expect Kved to be along at some stage (he was the one who alerted me to the issue). As an es admin he should be able to give a valid view. Thanks --Herby ^{talk thyme} 14:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The ANI above notes it was deleted from es:. Perhaps their COI restrictions are stronger than ours, but I can't find the reasons for the deletion over there. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 14:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at es:Usuario_Discusión:Jorge_Queirolo_Bravo#Sobre_tu_articulo, it was speedied by an admin because: a) a AfD on 2007 had closed as delete and b) a discussion between several admins determined that the article was self-promotion (WP:COI) and not relevant enough to stay on the wikipedia. Additionally, a checkuser determined that most of the IPs creating the article were from the same ISP as the subject. Also, link to deletion log[3] and link to the 2007 AfD [4], which was cut short by an admin who speedied for self-promotion two days after it was opened. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If a subject is notable and the tone is neutral, the motivations of the article creator are really irrelevant. The question in my mind is whether or not the subject meets WP:BIO on the English Wikipedia. I have seen nothing that demonstrates that he does, but I cannot read Spanish. Placing the article on multi Wikipedias is concerning if the intent was to promote his work. However, judging by his WorldCat results here and in my nomination statement, I would say such an effort has been unsuccessful.] Cheers, Dloh cierekim 15:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Very strong Delete, as said above, Ediciones Altovolta is in fact owned by Jorge Queirolo Bravo. The first time the article es:Jorge Queirolo Bravo was created in es.wiki was by the user es:Usuario:Altovolta: He said that he was Jorge Queirolo Bravo and he was the owner of Ediciones Altovolta. Second, searching the National Library of Chile we found a couple of articles written by Jorge Queirolo Bravo and only 3 of them available to public ("Antología cultural : recopilacion de artículos y ensayos periodísticos sobre temas culturales, literarios y artísticos", "Cuentos indecentes" and "Pasándola bien"). All of them, published by Ediciones Altovolta. Google throws up references about Jorge Queirolo Bravo, but mainly blogs and opinion articles in literary web pages, curiously all of them signed by him. The deleted article in es.wiki was a flagrant violation to neutral point of view policies, and please let me quote you from es:Jorge Queirolo Bravo:

El oficio de escribir llevó a Jorge Queirolo a autoeditar sus propios libros, ante las múltiples dificultades que tuvo con las casas editoriales establecidas en Chile, las que prácticamente le imposibilitaron la publicación de su obra cuando todavía era relativamente anónimo. [...] De a poco se convirtió en un renombrado editor, creando su propia empresa especializada en el tema, conocida con el nombre de Ediciones Altovolta, la que ha crecido hasta ser una de las más grandes de Chile. A Queirolo se le considera un editor de primera clase y muy profesional en todo sentido.

Which in a fast and rough translation approximately means:

The writing business took Jorge Queirolo to self-publish his own books, because of the multiple difficulties he had to deal with the publishing houses in Chile, which practically make him impossible to publish his work when he was still anonymous. [...] Slowly he became a well known editor, ^{[citation needed]} creating his own publishing house known by the name of Ediciones Altovolta, who grown into one of the biggest in Chile.^{[citation needed]} Queirolo is known as a first class editor and a professional in all sense.^{[citation needed]}

Between other paragraphs in which he ennoble his writings and books and grumble about the publishing houses in Chile and how they despise his work. To me, it's a clear case of self promotion and cross-wiki spamming and should be speedy deleted from all involved wikis per WP:V, WP:POV, WP:COI and WP:SPAM. Hope this helps, and I will be around if any other es.wiki POV is needed. :D Cheers, KveD (talk) 18:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per KveD's analysis and m:Multilingual_speedy_deletions#Jorge_Queiolo_Bravo_and_related_articles. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete In the strongest possible terms, per all the above. Delete without delay per WP:SNOW and then SALT. ukexpat (talk) 19:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete should discourage absolutely this kind of multilanguage spam --Sailko (talk) 13:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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