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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Article has been improved since discussion was opened Firsfron of Ronchester 20:42, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
KTMU[edit]
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Fails WP:BCAST, does not meet any criteria. The station is one year old so does not have much of a legacy. No reliable secondary sources on google about coverage, presenters or notability on google. Wikishagnik (talk) 06:35, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: As creator of the page being nominated for deletion, I would support merging the content and redirecting the page to KTGS, which is the flagship station of the network which KTMU airs the programming of. Eventually, I would favor creating a separate network article, and redirecting the articles of all affiliates which never aired their own independent content to this article. --Tdl1060 (talk) 21:18, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- What exactly do you mean by this statement - Eventually, I would favor creating a separate network article, and redirecting the articles of all affiliates which never aired their own independent content to this article. Are you talking about creating a seperate article for KTGS network? Is there anything notable about the network? OR are you suggesting a merge and redirect?-Wikishagnik (talk) 22:42, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I am referring to "The Gospel Station Network", which is a network of 12 full power stations and 9 translators. All of the affiliates currently have articles, and I would support redirecting all full time affiliates to an article about the network, upon such an article's creation, provided that these affiliates were never independent of the network. The network is not called the KTGS network, but that station is the network's flagship station. In the absence of an article for "The Gospel Station Network", I would support a merge and redirect to KTGS.--Tdl1060 (talk) 22:57, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Tdl1060 (talk) 23:30, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:01, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment; The relevant content from KTMU's article has been added to KTGS's article, preparing KTMU's article to be redirected to KTGS, should consensus favor such an action. --Tdl1060 (talk) 01:47, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, WilyD 08:22, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep after I have improved and expanded the article with secondary and third-party sources to improve verifiability and notability. The station was launched by one entity and is in the process of being sold to another that owns KTGS but there's no guarantee than the sale will consummate. - Dravecky (talk) 13:21, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 22:39, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep: Per Dravecky and per WP:BROADCAST and numerous discussions and AfDs, consensus is that all radio stations are notable. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak deleteNeutral (see above collapsed discussion) - there are some references attached to the article but most are "directory" style entries provided for all radio stations. I don't think one minor mention in a newspaper could be considered significant coverage. As per WP:BCAST, the station may be presumed to be notable if notability can be established by either a large audience, established broadcast history, or unique programming, but each would still need to be verified by reliable sources. None of the sources provided establish any of these and the article doesn't assert notability against any of these criteria. Notability can also be separately established if the company itself meets WP:CORPDEPTH but I wouldn't suggest any of the sources allow for that either. On balance, I don't think there is enough there to establish notability. Stalwart111 (talk) 00:29, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]- Comment: The Federal Communications Commission is considered a reliable source, as it is a US Government organization. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:08, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Absolutely, not questioning its reliability as a source. My concern was that the FCC sources don't seem to provide any information about a "large audience, established broadcast history, or unique programming" so as to meet the criteria of WP:BCAST. They provide technical facts and information about the licence and station. Useful, but "routine" as far as WP:N is concerned (in my opinion). So if we want to demonstrate notability against any of those criteria it would need to be done with (other) reliable sources. The FCC sources are good, reliable sources but they don't verify any of the information we would seem to need for the subject to meet the criteria at WP:BCAST. If they did (by providing listener numbers, for example) then this whole thing would be beyond doubt. Do they do so? Or do they ever vet or review listener numbers? If there's another FCC link that covers any aspect of the WP:BCAST criteria then everything else is really a moot point, as far as I'm concerned. Stalwart111 (talk) 02:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Here in the US, only commerical stations pay for ratings via Arbitron and these days only certain number of those commerical stations actually pay for ratings, so you don't get an accurate picture. We have a couple stations in my area that have a good many listeners, but they got a 0.0 in the last ratings book because they didn't pay Arbitron. :( So, ratings, at the moment, aren't a good way to determine listenership of a station. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:07, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, well that just makes a discussion about WP:BCAST pointless if the criteria are so out of date and so geo-centric as to be irrelevant or fundamentally flawed. Have changed my comment above to "neutral" and will post a note on this discussion's talk page (and on yours). Cheers, Stalwart111 (talk) 03:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC).[reply]
- Keep or Redirect: KTMU does not appear to be a translator station. Given that it's part of the Gospel Station Network, which appears to have a pretty strong presence in Oklahoma and the immediate surrounding area, it clearly passes WP:BCAST in that sense. If KTMU broadcasts its own programming in addition to GSN, then this is a clear pass of WP:BCAST of its own volition. If not, I'd suggest a new article for the Gospel Station Network and redirects for its various call letters. GSN I think should have its own article in any event. Faustus37 (talk) 02:20, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.