Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Locating

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The arguments that this article simply lumps together disparate topics (many of which are covered elsewhere) are convincing. Those wishing to see a disambiguation page at this title are encouraged to create it. -- Ed (Edgar181) 13:53, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Locating

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unreferenced dictionary definition / WP:OR. not notable by WP:NOTDICT. Contested PROD Stuartyeates (talk) 21:37, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The topic is obviously notable - see Position location techniques and applications, for example. The dicdef and OR claims of the nomination seem absurd. What is the original idea here? Where is the dictionary-like content? Warden (talk) 21:58, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That ref looks more appropiate to Locating engine or Real-time locating system to me, but that's just me. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:08, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. — — alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 01:49, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. — — alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 01:49, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Nominator has a curious notion of what a dictionary definition is. While the article is a bit of a mess, as are many other Wikipedia articles related to locating, there is definitely room and a need on Wikipedia for an article that provides an overview of the field, next to more specialized articles such as Collocation (wireless metrics), Dead reckoning, Differential GPS, Fuzzy locating system, Hybrid positioning system, Local positioning system, Location-based service, Mobile phone tracking, Multilateration, Positioning system, Radiodetermination, Ranging, Real-time locating system, Triangulation, Trilateration, and Wireless triangulation, among many others. --Lambiam 09:01, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sure there's room for an overview that links to all these pages and explains the field, but the current article does even attempt to do either as far as I can see. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:51, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Completely unsourced dictionary definition. Yes, it's verbose, but only because it wanders so far afield. This article is not about locating, it is about "locating", its meanings, usage and history, except where it wanders into Classical passive locating systems, Locating engine, Fuzzy locating (and its antonym, Crisp locating), Real-time locating, etc. I don't know what this article is about (hell, it doesn't know what it's about), but the only content on the titled subject is about the word. Yeah, we can dig up sources about various topics (notable or otherwise) that include the word "locating", but I don't expect one source discussing all of those tangential discussion, let alone several reliable sources that each discuss all of them. - SummerPhD (talk) 15:21, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I added the link above provided by user:Warden to the article in a new further reading section. This helps to establish notability for the topic. Northamerica1000 (talk) 14:05, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Here's the full link, added: *Muñoz, David; Vargas, César (2009.) "Position location techniques and applications." Elsevier, Inc. ISBN 9780123743534
Northamerica1000 (talk) 14:07, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. SummerPhD hit the nail on the head. Drmies (talk) 19:40, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is not a dictionary definition, nor is it original research, so the nominators reasons fail. The article is about a notable concept. Dream Focus 20:23, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- Yes, it's possible to find sources that have the word "locating" in them somewhere. It's a common word. That doesn't mean you can necessarily build an article from them. This is one of those articles that, in its desperation to avoid being just a WP:DICDEF, indiscriminately grabs and incorporates any old junk it can. The result is an incoherent mish-mash of nonsense that isn't about anything in particular and tells the reader nothing useful. Reyk _YO! 00:56, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. SummerPhD said it better than I'd explain it. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:52, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - topic is too general. Simone (talk) 11:00, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Alternate plan: why not convert this to a WP:DAB page to direct users to all the related articles mentioned here? Beeblebrox (talk) 19:37, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per SummerPhd. Odd collection of things lumped into a dicdef. Omits the common usages as "locating underground facilities" in which case the locater knows where he is and tries to find what is underground, or where some underground thing might be such as a power line gas line, or water line. Edison (talk) 21:10, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - My first thought was that the content belongs in Location-based service, but maybe material could be taken from there (and other location articles) and put into Locating. Alternatively, why not convert it to a category page? --Northernhenge (talk) 21:12, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per SummerPhd. Odd collection of things lumped into a dicdef, which somehow assumes that numerous related processes are not "locating." Omits the common usages as "locating underground facilities" in which case the locater knows where he is and tries to find what is underground, or where some underground thing might be such as a power line gas line, or water line. Maybe it needs a better title, a broader coverage of locating activities, or maybe it should be a disambiguation page. Somewhat redundant to articles on Global Positioning System, LORAN, Triangulation, Radio navigation, Navigation, Radiolocation, Real-time locating system, VHF omnidirectional range, and Tactical air navigation system. Edison (talk) 21:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate per Beeblebrox. I'm basically in line with the other "delete" !voters: this is fundamentally a dicdef that attempts to cover a bunch of topics. And that, my friends, is called a disambiguation page. Locating is certain something people would want to search for; it does indeed receive hits now and then. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 09:00, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.