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Please cut and paste nominations to be archived from the Picture peer review mainpage to the top of the appropriate archive page, creating a new archive (by nomination date) when necessary.

Original - Coast Guard rescue swimmers in a training exercise

I stumbled across this picture while browsing, and I think that this could be a good FP or VP because of its encyclopedic value (its practically irreplaceable), and because I think that it has a bit of a wow factor with the sunset in the background and the spotlight being shown in the mist in addittion to the fact that its not something that you'd see everyday. Thoughts? Best, Mifter (talk) 22:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles this image appears in
Aviation Survival Technician, The Guardian (2006 film)
Creator
US CG - Tom Sperduto, PAC , USCG
Suggested by
Mifter (talk) 22:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • It's certainly a very nice eye-catching picture but I doubt it would succeed at FPC. There is a lot of noise in the shadow areas and probably also jpeg artifacting (I'm not sure if it's just been taken at a very high ISO giving very heavy noise as there's no exif). I'm also not sure that the EV is as high given it's clearly a training exercise, but it may be OK. Any reason it's not in United States Coast Guard? May certainly be a viable nominee at VPC. --jjron (talk) 18:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think this has sufficient EV given that it's very difficult to see what's going on in general and the people in particular. Makeemlighter (talk) 05:10, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not 100% convinced on the EV, but I don't have a problem seeing whats going on, maybe because I watch a lot of deadliest catch where Coast Guard rescues are featured quite frequently. This is definitely stunning eye candy though, and I hold rescue swimmers in the highest regard, they are truly heroes. I would love to see this featured. — raeky (talk | edits) 01:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I’m going to retract my seconding. This is a truly stunning, beautiful image. Artistically, it could be a bit brighter. And there are other technical shortcomings others have cited, above, that I think would be forgivable. However, as the others have pointed out here, being eye-catching and gorgeous isn’t all that’s required; photos must have encyclopedic value (EV). Sometimes, I wish the FPC community might lighten up sometimes on the heavy emphasis on EV if we think our I.P. readership would likely stop scrolling on the Main Page and click on a picture. That’s what I think would clearly happen if this were to pass FPC. Greg L (talk) 15:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Stunning image. Definitely (IMHO) FPC material. I hope to see it there soon. Greg L (talk) 00:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Original - Map showing the plan of an artillery barrage at the First Battle of Passchendaele

Am not particularly familiar with the Featured/Valued Picture process, but this image is of particular interest because it's an unusual historic illustration of an important, and often misunderstood, military tactic. It also has a wealth of other detail, e.g. thorough depiction of trench lines, that's fascinating in its encyclopedic context. Hence the nomination. Suspect it's probably aiming at VPC rather than FPC.

Articles this image appears in
Barrage (artillery), First Battle of Passchendaele
Creator
Labattblueboy
Suggested by
The Land (talk) 12:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • This definitely needs some information about the restoration work done to it. The file pages for any number of restored images can show you what I'm talking about. Check out, for example, File:Yellowstone_1871b.jpg which was restored by Durova, who has been incredibly prolific at restoring historic works. You'll notice she lists the work done to the image, namely "Spots removed, border irregularities corrected, histogram adjusted, and color balanced." I'll comment upon the actual image later, as I'm unable to view it at full-size right now. Makeemlighter (talk) 05:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That should be possible.... The Land (talk) 08:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - A female Magpie-lark (Grallina cyanoleuca) which has just captured a small moth from the grass.

A rare moment where the image depicts a female Magpie-lark hunting for food in which this moth unfortunately fell victim to and which I believe is a difficult moment to capture as often such birds may not allow you to get close enough to photograph them (this one didn't seem too concerned). If not worthy of FPC or VPC, I'm looking for comments/constructive criticism to further improve on my skills so that I can contribute more high quality, high value images to Wikipedia.

Articles this image appears in
Magpie-lark
Creator
DeltaFalcon talk / contribs 08:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Suggested by
DeltaFalcon talk / contribs 08:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Nice timing, the image seems like it has too much contrast though, and I'd get lower to the ground if possible. There are some pretty high quality magpie lark photographs already in the article, so I'm not sure that your chances of success would be great. Noodle snacks (talk) 00:52, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's quite good, but does seem very saturated. I think there's also an existing FP in the article? Perhaps a little unsharp on the bird - the focus looks like it might have hit just a bit forward as those leaves just in front of the bird seem to be just a bit more in focus. The bokeh in the background is also a bit odd looking and I don't find it particularly attractive, looks almost like an oil-painting or something; you didn't do anything to that in post processing did you? Could be the lens. --jjron (talk) 18:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - The Flat Iron in the Superstition Mountains as seen from the Lost Dutchman State Park in Arizona.

Nice composition, lighting, and overall good quality.

Articles this image appears in
Western United States, Superstition Mountains
Creator
Doug Dolde
Suggested by
mono 02:00, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Sorry, while this is a pretty photo it isn't likely to succeed at FPC. It's too small for starters - while it technically just scrapes into the size limits, bigger is generally expected for landscape type shots. Even for it's size, the mountains which are the subject seem to be a bit soft; it looks like focus is further forward, possibly on that large cactus. Also the colours don't look that realistic to me, which could be a consequence of this having been scanned from a slide/film which sometimes bring out colours differently from digital (or it could be aged, but no date is given). --jjron (talk) 19:54, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I disagree with the above. Firstly the image has a dimension that meets or exceeds 1000 pixels, so it is big enough. Secondly, it is a pretty picture, and one with great quality and detail in both the back and foreground. I will definitely support this if you bring it to suggest it as a FPC! --I′d※<3※Ɵɲɛ (talk) 05:33, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm in agreement with jjron here, I'd oppose on size alone. For a landscape like this, which is generally considered highly reproducible, we expect much higher then minimums. — raeky (talk | edits) 18:21, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is a nice one. --Extra 999 (Contact me + contribs) 12:04, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - the initial stages of human embryogenesis
Edit1 - with arrows instead of numbers
Vector version - pure svg

Highly encyclopedic and illustrative, clearly showing the important stages in the first three weeks of formation of the human embryo. However, it probably needs converting to svg before submitting to FPC, and I don't have a clue how to do that...

Articles this image appears in
Human embryogenesis, Prenatal development + 8 others
Creator
Jrockley
Suggested by
Anxietycello (talk) 13:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
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  • Post-vectorisation I would say this image has a good chance at featured picture status. It has huge EV, is widely used across many major articles and is of a quality comparable to other featured svg diagrams. Furthermore I am able to actively improve it if there are any concerns which need addressing. - Zephyris Talk 19:44, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Brilliant work! Thankyou very much for taking the time to do this. Only a few small niggling issues - a typo on day six (should read zona instead of zoa); the captions on day 12 and 23 are bold unnecessarily, and on day 23, could you make it clearer that the yolk sac is a single body (it currently appears too tightly pinched at its emergence form the embryo). Also, I know it may not be clear, but I intended the orange colouring to be used only for the 'inner cell mass'; once it splits into the endoderm and ectoderm, the cell mass was to be represented as pink and brown (ie skin and digestive lining), and so there should be no orange cells after day 7. Thankyou again for your excellent work, I'll nominate it for FP now. Anxietycello (talk) 12:57, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Conclusion

Nominated at FPC here. Makeemlighter (talk) 03:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit by TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) using GIMP

This is a high EV image that I have tried to edit. I have settled on a 6.5 degree rotation, followed by a 300 x-dimension shear and cropping as about the best I can come up with. Further advice needed

Articles this image appears in
Crown Fountain
Glass art
Glass brick
Architectural glass
Creator
www.flickr.com user jjlthree, edited by User:TonyTheTiger
Suggested by
TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
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Original - Victory Monument
Previously used image on WP by TonyTheTiger
Noodle snacks (talk · contribs) edit of TonyTheTiger version
Recreation of the shot currently in use on WP
Recreation of the shot currently also in use on WP

I am here to see if I can get some advice on cleaning up this work that has high EV. I had taken this shot previously and attempted to get it promoted (see Wikipedia:Picture peer review/Victory Monument and Wikipedia:Valued picture candidates/Victory Monument). In my prior, attempt an editor made the face of the sculpture more visible with some editing. I was wondering if that is necessary again.

Articles this image appears in
Douglas, Chicago
List of Chicago Landmarks
National Register of Historic Places listings in Chicago
Victory Monument (Chicago)
Fountain of the Great Lakes
South Side (Chicago)
Creator
Jovianeye
Suggested by
TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:24, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I tried, but there isn't any additional recoverable detail here (because the lighting is much harder). During winter the sun would be lower in the sky and you'd get more of it in. In whole the picture isn't too bad, though perhaps more tightly cropped than ideal. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:10, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Illinois point guard Demetri McCamey signals a play while dribbling up court.
Edited versions
Edit 2 - upper right 7% rightward, upper left 4% upward tilt perspective adjustment using GIMP 2.6.8 perspective tool (two adjustments—once with the picture rotated 90 degrees) by TonyTheTiger
Edit 3 - 3 degrees clockwise rotation adjustment using GIMP 2.6.8 by TonyTheTiger
Edit 4 - perspective correction using hugin 2009.4.0 saved as .png by TonyTheTiger
Edit 5 - perspective correction using hugin 2009.4.0 saved as .jpg by TonyTheTiger

This is the finest example that WP has of a point guard signalling a play in basketball. The problem is that the article for point guard is pretty deficient. It is basically a bunch of unreffed WP:OR and does not describe this act of a point guard signaling a play. I am not sure how much responsibility I have for augmenting the article other than by adding the picture and how much it would help the nomination.

Additionally, during the nomination, there was never final agreement on which edit to nominate. On the last day of the nomination new instructions were received on further edits. It is not clear whether one of the supporting voters even was aware of the change by the time of the close of the nomination. The editor who gave the instruction to make further edits never acknowledged if the final edit was actually what he was asking for. Thus, I am here to get an understanding on how best to edit this image and re-nominate it. I would like advice on both editing the article and commentary on the point guard article an how much it should say about signaling to bring out the EV in this photo.

Articles this image appears in
Point guard
Assist (basketball)
2009–10 Illinois Fighting Illini men's basketball team
Demetri McCamey
St. Joseph High School (Westchester, Illinois)
2009–10 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season
Creator
Joshua Beckman (flickr user PhotoVandal)
Suggested by
TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:55, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Nauticashades (talk · contribs) switched support from edit 2 to edit 3 on final day.
Spencer (talk · contribs) supported edit 2, but did not acknowledge the creation of and consideration of edit 3 (no WP edits between final edit posting and close of nomination)
Jjron (talk · contribs) infrequent editor who seemed to still be giving instructions for further editing and did not acknowledge creation of and consideration of edit 3 (no WP edits between final instruction and closing of nomination)
Diliff (talk · contribs) commented on need for correction and never supported any edits but did not acknowledge creation of and consideration of edit 3 (one WP edit between final edit posting and close of nomination)
  • I just want to make sure edit 3 is the best I can get and everyone gets a chance to consider it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry Tony, I've been busy so unfortunately I didn't get a chance to respond properly. My only involvement in this nom, as you said, was to comment on the tilt. I didn't feel strongly enough about the image enough to place my vote. I think either Edit 2 or 3 are fine technically. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 13:35, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Can you tell me whether the point guard article would seem to be a much higher EV usage if it described point guard signaling of plays.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • I wouldn't worry about that. Just make sure you explain what he's doing in the caption, and how it relates to the role of Point Guard. NauticaShades 15:20, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • IMO Edit 3 is clearly the best. Edit 2, having had 'perspective correction' has stretched the background including crowd members, and even slightly stretched the upper parts of the player, distorting him, and yet still left the bottom of the image tilted. Edit 3 being a simple tilt correction has straightened the image appropriately (a quick check looked quite straight). I notice filesize is considerably lower than the other edits, and assume quality hasn't been downgraded (again in my quick check it didn't appear any worse and should be OK). In terms of EV I really think it needs to be judged in terms of the Demetri McCamey article. It's too broadly spread across other articles to make a balanced decision, and if you wanted to focus it as an illustration of the point guard article I don't think it has sufficient EV (too easily replaceable by more high profile player, etc). Would therefore be good to use it more prominently in his article, probably swapping it with that awkward looking photo in the taxobox (and I don't really know why all the images have dates in the captions). In terms of voting I was a bit in the Diliff camp, where I probably didn't feel strongly enough about it, but was also mindful that it needed those fixes, and had some other technical questions. --jjron (talk) 13:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Tackle box with rod and bait bucket

Well framed photo showing fishing tackle on a wooden pier. All elements needed to fish including the location are displayed in the image with proper exposure.

Articles this image appears in
Fishing tackle
Creator
350z33
Suggested by
350z33 (talk) 17:43, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I'd say this would have little to no chance at FPC, and probably little chance at VPC, sorry. Looks to be quite lacking in sharpness at full res, perhaps focus was a bit above the box (not sure, but the rod seems a bit sharper, as does that post (?) in the top middle of image), and, at a guess, taken with the kit lens? There's also a bit of excessive noise perhaps, especially in the water. Probably the biggest issues are composition - this top down view feels a bit awkward, the fishing rod is badly cutoff at both ends, and the fishing box itself is a bit of a mess, with that tangle of line and all the junk in the bottom of the box, including the open drink can. On the other hand, people do support some unlikely candidates, as can be seen on the FPC page currently. Thanks for the nom. --jjron (talk) 13:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Clock at Antwerp Central Station in Belgium.

Good composition, useful for illustrating this level in the article. It's not colored, though--is this a big issue in anyone's opinion? Seems educational still to me.

Articles this image appears in
Antwerp Central Station
Creator
Laurent-Jonathan Meyvaert
Suggested by
fetch·comms 22:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • This shot seems to artsy too pass at FPC. Usually b/w pictures pass only if they're historic. The EV here doesn't seem great enough either: it shows only a very small portion of the subject and really not enough to be representative. Makeemlighter (talk) 01:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Too artsy?" They eat "artsy" up in FPC, especially if, like in this image, there's good detail, resolution and quality. For those reasons I would be inclined to vote in support of this image for FP, but others will have a problem, as Makeemlighter says, about its EV, and I somewhat agree. This is the cropped top of a structure, it'd be nicer to see the whole thing. I also get the b/w, I was assuming it was a cloudy day I guess, not intentionally made like that. --I′d※<3※Ɵɲɛ (talk) 05:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Animated timeline of the evolution of Rhode Island

It's been a while since I've done an animated timeline, and I wanted to work on improving one that was already in an FLC. Better colors, far more facts. I'm planning a list article with each step, but til then I wanted to throw out the GIF and see what y'all think. --Golbez (talk) 05:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles this image appears in
List of counties in Rhode Island
Creator
Golbez
Suggested by
Golbez (talk) 05:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • You have 18 different slides and the ability to pause and control of how fast they go by would be nice.
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Original - The view of Lake Sampaloc in San Pablo City, Laguna from the Lake Sampaloc view deck. It is the largest and most developed lake in San Pablo's Seven Lakes wherein fishing and recreational activities take place.

The photo has clearly shown the lake's size wherein based on the article, it is the largest of the Seven Lakes of San Pablo City, Laguna. It also shows the mountain of its origin - Mount Banahaw.

Articles this image appears in
Lake Sampaloc
Creator
Barrera_marquez
Suggested by
Barrera marquez 14:02, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Comments
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Original - Herbert Spencer (27 April 1820 - 8 December 1903), an English philosopher

I think this is a representative, good quality photo of Herbert Spencer, and I think it is the best we have (see commons:Category:Herbert Spencer). I am wondering if it would qualify for Valued or preferably Featured Picture? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 02:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles this image appears in
Herbert Spencer, Social Darwinism, Sociocultural evolution, Sideburns
Creator
unknown (according to official source credit at the Smithsonian Institution Libraries)
Suggested by
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 02:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
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Original - A natural pointed dome as viewed from the South Rim of the Grand Canyon at noon.

The photo is of high resolution, has improved contrast, and depicts compositional symmetrical balance.

Articles this image appears in
Grand Canyon National Park
Creator
serioushat
Suggested by
serioushat 02:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • IMO unlikely to pass at FPC sorry. Seems to be lacking sharpness at full res, probably a consequence of the camera. I'd also suggest there's a little too much sky and the foreground feels a bit cutoff. To me it also seems a little dark with no real 'punch' to the colours; comparing to many other photos of the Grand Canyon, the colours seem to come up more spectacular in them - you say above it is taken at noon, which is not normally an ideal time to get the best colours at a place like this. Image page is lacking information. Thanks for nominating here. --jjron (talk) 13:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - A very unique cloud formation in shades of grey and pink colours sighted in Mulund (E), Mumbai, during the sunset.

This is a very beautiful picture and also adds significantly to the article 'Clouds'. The person after seeing this picture comes to know the nature of clouds during sunset.

Articles this image appears in
Cloud
Creator
Bm1996
Suggested by
Bm1996 (talk) 11:40, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
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Original - Map showing Karluk's voyage from Nome, its subsequent drift, and Bartlett's rescue journey:
  Karluk's voyage towards Herschel Island, July–August 1913
  Karluk's drift, August 1913 – January 1914
Dotted lines indicate crew's ice marches and Bartlett's rescue journey, February–May 1914

The map was a modest but useful addition to an article that is now featured. In the interest of full disclosure, I should add that I did not write the article, that User:NormanEinstein created the base map with the inset map, and that I have never before nominated a map or photo here for comment. (Newbie alert!) I'm guessing that "landscape" is the right formatting choice, but I'm not sure. Thanks in advance for any input.

Articles this image appears in
Voyage of the Karluk
Creator
User:Finetooth
Suggested by
Finetooth (talk) 17:53, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
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Original - Kunyu Wanguo Quantu, a 17th Century Chinese world map by Matteo Ricci

Very detailed map with excellent scanning quality; high resolution and well digitally preserved/restored; of considerable encyclopedic value and significance. Is already a featured image on the Spanish and Turkish Wikipedias, and I don't mean to be jumping the bandwagon or anything, but there is probably a pretty good reason why it is featured on those projects.

Articles this image appears in
Kunyu Wanguo Quantu, Terra Australis
Creator
Original by Matteo Ricci; uploaded by commons:User:PhiLiP
Suggested by
-- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 10:00, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
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Original - The $4.5 million Neely Research Reactor, which was built in 1963 in part due to James E. Boyd's influence.

Impressive resolution, equally interesting subject (a nuclear reactor)

Articles this image appears in
History of Georgia Tech, Georgia Tech Research Institute, James E. Boyd (scientist), Neely Nuclear Research Center
Creator
Georgia Tech Research Institute (This organization has released it under a free license.)
Suggested by
Disavian (talk/contribs) 01:56, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
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Original - Meteorite crater at Lonar

This is a good picture of the meteorite crater at Lonar shot with a wide angle and it clearly shows the crater as well as the vegetation surrounding it.

Articles this image appears in
Lonar
Creator
ganeshrg
Suggested by
Ganeshrg (talk) 06:48, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Interesting picture, but there are problems with technical quality and encyclopedic value. The two main problems with this picture are that it doesn't show the entire subject, and that it seems underexposed. If you shot in RAW, you might be able to solve this second problem by increasing the exposure compensation. I'm afraid fixing the first problem would require you to stitch a multi-shot panorama to achieve the wider field of view. NotFromUtrecht (talk) 07:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand what you are talking about. The original picture was actually exposed slightly more but the sky was too bright which is why I edited the picture to underexpose it. Could you help me get the right exposure level for this? I have submitted this picture in Wikipedia Graphic Lab but I haven't seen any responses yet. Ganeshrg (talk) 08:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - A picture of a Balsamorhiza deltoidea taken at Dog Mountain, Washington. In the center, pollen can be seen.

I feel the picture meets the featured picture criteria and is a useful depiction for the article Balsamorhiza deltoidea, however I have one tiny concern. At the time of taking the picture, the reduced depth of field was an intentional effect to convey the depth in the picture. I am worried that this may hold back the picture at WP:FPC, and would like a second opinion on that matter.

Articles this image appears in
Balsamorhiza deltoidea Balsamorhiza sagittata
Creator
Shirik
Suggested by
Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 16:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Seconder


Very nice picture and displays the beauty and has a good quality

Articles this image appears in
Hong Kong
Creator
Shizhao
Suggested by
Extra999 (Contact me + contribs) 10:58, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Conclusion


Original - A fissure on Fimmvörðuháls, April 2, 2010. The lava flows down, turning snow into steam

An interesting shot of the phenomenon, fine colors.

Articles this image appears in
2010 eruptions of Eyjafjallajökull
Creator
Boaworm
Suggested by
Brandmeister[t] 19:01, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
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Conclusion


Original - Valluvar Kottam at Chennai, India is a memorial dedicated to the Tamil poet Tiruvalluvar.

This image is already a VI and QI on Commons. I feel it does meet the requirements for FP.

Articles this image appears in
Valluvar Kottam, Tamil architecture
Creator
Jovianeye
Suggested by
JovianEye (talk) 00:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
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Conclusion

Nominated at FPC. Makeemlighter (talk) 08:54, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]