Talk:Q5351147

Hi, @Sannita:

• Main issue: Why the tilde in Diário?
• Secondary issue: why removing country of origin=Spain? It's not a very important property (it overlaps a lot with headquarters location (P159) and it promotes nationalistic POV's), but my only concern related to a country of origin in which a periodical was published... is the copyright law appliable. This periodical was published from 1844 to 1960 and the island of Cuba belonged to Spain from 1844 to 1898. Strakhov (talk) 15:00, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Other issue. Why 1832? National Library José Martí (Q5728066) considers "El Noticioso y Lucero de la Habana" (1832-1844) a publication on its own merit. Maybe this item should be splitted. Strakhov (talk) 15:14, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Strakhov::

1. I found it with the á, not with the "a";
2. I removed "Spain" because it was a Cuban newspaper, and I forgot about the Spaniard domination. We can reinstate Spain with qualificators.
3. Because it's just a change in the title, the publication goes on. In the bibliographic field, the two titles AFAIK can be considered the same publication. Nothing in contrary for splitting the two, but I still have a slightly opposing stance.

--Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 15:18, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Sannita::

1. Where did you find it with an "á"? In "contemporary Spanish" "diario" is always written with an "a". In "decimononic" (XIX-centuryish) Spanish I think it was written that way too. First issue's heading uses "a", every Wikipedia describing this periodical uses "a" and "Biblioteca Digital del Caribe" too.
2. No problem, we can use start time (P580) and end time (P582) as qualifiers, yes.
3. According to National Library José Martí (Q5728066) it was "Absorbida en 1844 por: Diario de la marina" (absorbed by). Anyways, while the other item is not created (I'd probably do that in the future) I think it's not a big issue. Strakhov (talk) 15:31, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Strakhov: ok, I'll take care of fixing both the "á", and the "absorbida por" things in the next hours. Thanks for signalling. --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 15:36, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway on es.wp, it is written that it was founded on 16-9-1832, and then it changed its name on 1-4-1844. --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 15:41, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've learnt one thing after years in es.wikipedia: to never trust es.wikipedia! :) Anyway, I'll give it a look and do some bibliographic research on this stuff. Strakhov (talk) 15:45, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok :) BTW, check out El Noticioso (Q28798053), El Lucero (Q28798054), and El Noticioso y Lucero (Q28798055), which should be the predecessors of Diario. Good work, I'll go back to mine... --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 16:03, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Strakhov (talk) 17:11, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]