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Question from Dr.Decapod (23:17, 31 August 2024)

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Hello! I have question, I put hours of time and resources into fixing an old article up and someone keeps changing it based on their personal opinion and beliefs. I cite info and they remove it. What is the correct way to deal with this? --Dr.Decapod (talk) 23:17, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. Wikipedia:Dispute resolution has more information about the best ways to deal with a situation like this. Essentially, discussing it with the other editor on the talk page of the article is best, and trying to reach a consensus that way. If there continues to be disagreements, then there are more ways to resolve content disputes (such as requesting a third opinion or trying the dispute resolution noticeboard), but these will typically require that a discussion has taken place on the talk page first. DanCherek (talk) 23:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September music

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story · music · places

What do you think of my short version of the life of Alexander Goehr? Our DYK team would probably want to mention that he worked in a training kibbutz, while I was happy to include a link to an article by Brian Boulton, - we sang the Monteverdi Vespers on 1 September 2019. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ps: next cantata Jesu, der du meine Seele, BWV 78, last movement, I trust that you'll find it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BWV 78.7

\header { tagline = " " }
\layout { indent = 0 \context { \Score \remove "Bar_number_engraver" } }
global = { \key g \minor \numericTimeSignature \time 4/4 \set Score.tempoHideNote = ##t \set Timing.beamExceptions = #'()}

soprano = \relative c'' { \global
  d4 d a bes |
  c bes8 a a4 g\fermata |
  bes bes a g |
  fis g a2\fermata |
  d4 d a bes |
  c bes8 a a4 g\fermata |
  bes bes a g |
  fis g a2\fermata |
  a4 bes c a |
  bes a8 g g4 f\fermata |
  bes c d d |
  ees d8 c c4 bes\fermata |
  d d c d |
  bes c d2\fermata |
  d4 d c bes |
  a a g2\fermata \bar "|."
}

alto = \relative c'' { \global
  g4 g a g |
  g g fis d |
  d ees ees8 d d c |
  c4 d d2 |
  d4 g fis g |
  g g fis d |
  d ees ees8 d d c |
  c4 d d2 |
  fis4 g g f |
  f f e c |
  f g8 a bes4 bes |
  bes bes a f |
  f f f8 ees d4 |
  d g fis2 |
  g4 g a g |
  g fis d2
}

tenor = \relative c' { \global
  bes8 c d4 d d |
  c8 d ees4 d8 c bes4 |
  g g g8 fis g4 |
  a bes fis2 |
  bes8 c d4 d d |
  c8 d ees4 d8 c bes4 |
  g g g8 fis g4 |
  a bes fis2 |
  d'4 d c c |
  bes8 c d4 c8 bes a4 |
  bes ees f f |
  es8 f g4 f8 ees d4 |
  bes bes a a |
  g8 bes a g a2 |
  bes8 c d4 ees d |
  ees d8 c b2
}

bass = \relative c' { \global
  g8 a bes4 fis g |
  ees c d g, |
  g'8 f ees d c d ees4 |
  a, g d'2 |
  g,8 a bes c d4 g8 f |
  ees d c4 d g, |
  g'8 f ees d c d ees4 |
  a, g d'2 |
  d4 g8 f ees4 f |
  d bes c f |
  d c bes bes'8 a |
  g f ees4 f bes, |
  bes8 c d ees f4 fis |
  g8 f! ees4 d2 |
  g8 a bes4 fis g |
  c, d g,2
}

\score {
  \new ChoirStaff <<
    \new Staff \with { midiInstrument = "choir aahs" }
    <<
      \new Voice = "soprano" { \voiceOne \soprano }
      \new Voice = "alto" { \voiceTwo \alto }
    >>
    \new Lyrics \lyricsto "soprano" {
      Herr, ich glau -- be, hilf mir _ Schwa -- chen,
      lass mich ja ver -- za -- gen nicht;
      du, du kannst mich stär -- ker _ ma -- chen,
      wenn mich Sünd und Tod an -- flicht.
      Dei -- ner Gü -- te will ich _ trau -- en,
      bis ich fröh -- lich wer de _ schau -- en
      dich, Herr Je -- su, nach dem Streit
      in der sü -- ßen E -- wig -- keit.
    }
    \new Staff \with { midiInstrument = "choir aahs" }
    <<
      \clef bass
      \new Voice = "tenor" { \voiceOne \tenor }
      \new Voice = "bass" { \voiceTwo \bass }
    >>
  >>
  \layout { }
  \midi { \tempo 4=82 }
}
Getting better at finding it! Happy September. DanCherek (talk) 23:19, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much! It's always the same site, you need the BWV no. (4 digits, leading zeros) and the movement number (and for most it should by now be among the external links. I corrected the German in the penultimate word, "ß".--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I just look for it in the external links DanCherek (talk) 23:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! - Today's story has 3 composers, I couldn't decide for the one on the Main page or the one who didn't make it on his bicentenary, so took both, and the pic has a third. Listen if you have a bit of time. The music, played by the Kyiv Symphony Orchestra in Germany in April 2022 impressed me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Recommended reading today: Frye Fire, by sadly missed Vami_IV. Next chorale from Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan, BWV 99. It's already a ref ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Happy because my story today is about a Czech mezzo soprano who is mentioned on the Main page on her birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk)
Happier about Bach's cantata on the Main page on its 300th birthday (per calendar), my story (again)! ... with you Lilypond, also in the new article about the hymn ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yay! Will get to BWV 99 when I can (maybe tomorrow). DanCherek (talk) 02:52, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great! If you have time for only one until Sunday, I'd prefer BWV 8, - the other can wait until Tuesday, calendar date of it's first performance - while Bach and I go by liturgy ;) - always 9 days off this anniversary year --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Three stories related to today in memory, 11 September, 20 July and 20 June, the latter piece of art also pictured on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, the separate lyric lines for the different voices might be tricky... DanCherek (talk) 01:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't tell if the little notes are supposed to be regular notes (bass, measure 4?), grace notes (soprano, measure 12?), or ossia (bass, measure 5?) DanCherek (talk) 01:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also what is going on with the little note in the bass part in the first measure? DanCherek (talk) 01:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lilypond for BWV 99.6 since I'm stuck on the other one. DanCherek (talk) 03:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BWV 99.6

\header { tagline = " " }
\layout { indent = 0 \context { \Score \remove "Bar_number_engraver" } }
global = { \key g \major \numericTimeSignature \time 4/4 \set Score.tempoHideNote = ##t \set Timing.beamExceptions = #'()}

soprano = \relative c' { \global
  \tempo 4=72
  \repeat volta 2 { \partial 4 d4 |
  g a b c |
  d4. c8 \tempo 4=30 b4\fermata \tempo 4=72 e |
  d c b8 a b4 |
  a2 \tempo 4=30 g4\fermata } \tempo 4=72 d' |
  e e \tempo 4=30 a,\fermata \tempo 4=72 a |
  d d \tempo 4=30 g,\fermata \tempo 4=72 b |
  a g fis8 e fis4 |
  e2 \tempo 4=30 d4\fermata \tempo 4=72 d' |
  c! b a b8 c |
  a2 \tempo 4=30 g4\fermata \bar "|."
}

alto = \relative c' { \global
  \partial 4 b8 c |
  d4 d g g |
  g fis g g |
  fis e d g |
  g fis d g |
  g a8 g fis4 fis |
  fis fis e e |
  e e e d |
  d cis a fis' |
  g8 a d, e fis4 g |
  g8 fis16 e fis4 d
}

tenor = \relative c' { \global
  \partial 4 g8 a |
  b4 a e' e |
  d8 c16 b a8 d d4 c8 b |
  a4 g8 a b c d4 |
  d8 c16 b c8 a b4 b |
  c8 d e4 d cis |
  cis8 ais b4 b g |
  a8 b cis4 a b |
  b a8 g fis4 b |
  b8 a b c d4 d |
  d8 a16 b c4 b
}

bass = \relative c { \global
  \partial 4 g4 |
  g' fis e d8 c |
  b c d4 g, c |
  d e8 fis g4 b,8 c |
  d2 g,4 g' |
  c, cis d fis |
  b,8 cis d b e4 e8 d |
  cis4 b8 a d cis b a |
  g4 a d b |
  e8 fis g4 d8 c b g |
  d'2 g,4
}

\score {
  \new ChoirStaff <<
    \new Staff \with { midiInstrument = "choir aahs" }
    <<
      \new Voice = "soprano" { \voiceOne \soprano }
      \new Voice = "alto" { \voiceTwo \alto }
    >>
    \new Lyrics \lyricsto "soprano" {
      <<
        { Was Gott tut, das ist wohl -- ge -- tan,
          da -- bei will ich _ ver -- blei -- ben  }
          \new Lyrics { \set associatedVoice = "soprano" {
                        es mag mich auf die rau -- he Bahn
                        Not, Tod und E -- _ lend trei -- ben, }
          }
      >>
      so wird Gott mich ganz vä -- ter -- lich
      in sei -- nen Ar -- _ men hal -- ten;
      drum lass ich ihn nur _ wal -- ten.
    }
    \new Staff \with { midiInstrument = "choir aahs" }
    <<
      \clef bass
      \new Voice = "tenor" { \voiceOne \tenor }
      \new Voice = "bass" { \voiceTwo \bass }
    >>
  >>
  \layout { }
  \midi { }
}

Thank you! I added a bit speed. Can the last note somehow sound a bit longer? - I'll move, prepare some food and be back for the other. One thing upfront: have text only for the soprano. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Try this: Special:Diff/1245435164. DanCherek (talk) 00:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Adjusted the tempos to simulate the fermatas, feel free to adjust further as you like.) DanCherek (talk) 00:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at that score. I was prepared by reading some of the article for a new kind of melody, in a setting that Bach took from some Mr. Vetter. I haven't listened, so don't know if the small notes in the bass are perhaps instrumental music of interludes. I'd ignore them. The little soprano thingy looks like a grace not, - take if not too complicated. IMSLP has a (19th-century) score that could be consulted. The article has a manuscript of what Bach took it from, File:Daniel Vetter Liebster Gott 91-92 1713.jpeg, but Bach changed, I read. No little notes in the bass. The soprano is different. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How's this? DanCherek (talk) 00:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

\header { tagline = " " }
\layout { indent = 0 \context { \Score \remove "Bar_number_engraver" } }
global = { \key e \major \numericTimeSignature \time 4/4 \set Score.tempoHideNote = ##t \set Timing.beamExceptions = #'()}

\score {
  \new ChoirStaff <<
    \new Staff \with { midiInstrument = "choir aahs" \consists Merge_rests_engraver }
    <<
      \new Voice = "soprano" { \voiceOne
        \relative c'' { \global
          \tempo 4=72
          \repeat volta 2 { r4 b8 b e4 b |
          cis b a4. b16 a |
          gis4 fis r b8 a |
          gis4 cis8 b ais fis b4 ~ |
          b ais b2 } |
          r4 fis8 gis a!4 gis |
          cis4. dis8 \grace { cis } bis2 |
          r4 cis8 b! ais4 b |
          b ais b fis8 fis |
          b4. a8 gis4 cis |
          bis cis2 bis4 |
          cis2 r4 e8 b |
          cis4 gis8 a b4. a8 |
          gis4 fis8 e dis4 e ~ |
          e dis \tempo 4=50 e2\fermata \bar "|."
        }
      }
      \new Voice = "alto" { \voiceTwo
        \relative c'' { \global
          r2 r4 gis8 gis |
          a4 a8 gis gis fis16 e fis8 fis |
          e4 dis r2 |
          r4 gis8 gis fis fis fis4 |
          fis fis fis2 |
          r4 dis8 e fis4 e8 fis |
          gis fis gis a gis2 |
          r4 gis8 gis fis4 fis |
          fis fis fis r |
          r fis2 e4 |
          fis8 gis ais ais gis2 |
          gis4 gis8 dis e2 ~ |
          e4 e dis8 e fis4 ~|
          fis8 e dis e b4 cis |
          b2 b
        }
      }
    >>
    \new Lyrics \lyricsto "soprano" {
      <<
        { Herr -- scher ü -- ber Tod und Le -- _ _ _ ben
          mach ein -- mal mein _ En -- _ _ de gut, }
          \new Lyrics { \set associatedVoice = "soprano" {
                        Leh -- re mich den Geist auf -- ge -- _ _ _ ben
                        mit recht wohl -- ge -- _ fass -- _ _ tem Mut. }
          }
      >>
      Hilf, dass ich ein ehr -- lich Grab
      ne -- ben from -- men Chris -- ten hab
      und auch end -- lich in der Er -- _ _ de
      nim -- mer -- mehr zu -- _ schan -- _ _ den _ wer -- _ _ de.
    }
    \new Staff \with { midiInstrument = "choir aahs" \consists Merge_rests_engraver }
    <<
      \clef bass
      \new Voice = "tenor" { \voiceOne
        \relative c' { \global
          r2 r4 e8 e |
          e4 e cis b |
          b b r2 |
          r4 e8 dis cis4 dis |
          cis cis dis2 |
          r2 r4 e8 dis |
          cis a' gis fis \grace { e } dis2 |
          r4 e8 dis cis4 dis |
          cis8 b cis4 dis r |
          r dis8 dis b4 cis |
          dis e dis2 |
          e4 e8 bis cis4. d8 |
          cis2 b ~ |
          b4 c fis, g |
          fis8 e fis4 gis!2
        }
      }
      \new Voice = "bass" { \voiceTwo
        \relative c, { \global
          r2 r4 e'8 e |
          a4 e fis dis |
          e b r2 |
          r4 e ~ e8 dis cis b |
          fis' e fis4 b,2 |
          r2 r4 cis8 dis |
          e dis e fis gis,4 gis'8 fis |
          e2. dis8 e |
          fis4 fis, b r |
          r b8 b e dis cis b |
          a gis fisis4 gis2 |
          cis2 r4 cis'8 gis |
          a b cis4 gis dis |
          e a,2 ais4 |
          b2 e,
        }
      }
    >>
  >>
  \layout { }
}
\score {
  \unfoldRepeats {
  \new ChoirStaff <<
    \new Staff \with { midiInstrument = "choir aahs" \consists Merge_rests_engraver }
    <<
      \new Voice = "soprano" { \voiceOne
        \relative c'' { \global
          \tempo 4=72
          \repeat volta 2 { r4 b8 b e4 b |
          cis b a4. b16 a |
          gis4 fis r b8 a |
          gis4 cis8 b ais fis b4 ~ |
          b ais b2 } |
          r4 fis8 gis a!4 gis |
          cis4. dis8 cis4 bis4 |
          r4 cis8 b! ais4 b |
          b ais b fis8 fis |
          b4. a8 gis4 cis |
          bis cis2 bis4 |
          cis2 r4 e8 b |
          cis4 gis8 a b4. a8 |
          gis4 fis8 e dis4 e ~ |
          e dis \tempo 4=50 e2\fermata \bar "|."
        }
      }
      \new Voice = "alto" { \voiceTwo
        \relative c'' { \global
          \repeat volta 2 { r2 r4 gis8 gis |
          a4 a8 gis gis fis16 e fis8 fis |
          e4 dis r2 |
          r4 gis8 gis fis fis fis4 |
          fis fis fis2 } |
          r4 dis8 e fis4 e8 fis |
          gis fis gis a gis2 |
          r4 gis8 gis fis4 fis |
          fis fis fis r |
          r fis2 e4 |
          fis8 gis ais ais gis2 |
          gis4 gis8 dis e2 ~ |
          e4 e dis8 e fis4 ~|
          fis8 e dis e b4 cis |
          b2 b
        }
      }
    >>
    \new Lyrics \lyricsto "soprano" {
      <<
        { Herr -- scher ü -- ber Tod und Le -- _ _ _ ben
          mach ein -- mal mein _ En -- _ _ de gut, }
          \new Lyrics { \set associatedVoice = "soprano" {
                        Leh -- re mich den Geist auf -- ge -- _ _ _ ben
                        mit recht wohl -- ge -- _ fass -- _ _ tem Mut. }
          }
      >>
      Hilf, dass ich ein ehr -- lich Grab
      ne -- ben from -- men Chris -- ten hab
      und auch end -- lich in der Er -- _ _ de
      nim -- mer -- mehr zu -- _ schan -- _ _ den _ wer -- _ _ de.
    }
    \new Staff \with { midiInstrument = "choir aahs" \consists Merge_rests_engraver }
    <<
      \clef bass
      \new Voice = "tenor" { \voiceOne
        \relative c' { \global
          \repeat volta 2 { r2 r4 e8 e |
          e4 e cis b |
          b b r2 |
          r4 e8 dis cis4 dis |
          cis cis dis2 } |
          r2 r4 e8 dis |
          cis a' gis fis e4 dis4 |
          r4 e8 dis cis4 dis |
          cis8 b cis4 dis r |
          r dis8 dis b4 cis |
          dis e dis2 |
          e4 e8 bis cis4. d8 |
          cis2 b ~ |
          b4 c fis, g |
          fis8 e fis4 gis!2
        }
      }
      \new Voice = "bass" { \voiceTwo
        \relative c, { \global
          \repeat volta 2 { r2 r4 e'8 e |
          a4 e fis dis |
          e b r2 |
          r4 e ~ e8 dis cis b |
          fis' e fis4 b,2 } |
          r2 r4 cis8 dis |
          e dis e fis gis,4 gis'8 fis |
          e2. dis8 e |
          fis4 fis, b r |
          r b8 b e dis cis b |
          a gis fisis4 gis2 |
          cis2 r4 cis'8 gis |
          a b cis4 gis dis |
          e a,2 ais4 |
          b2 e,
        }
      }
    >>
  >>
  }
  \midi { }
}

Oh how lovely and different! Is there a way od making that grace note a long one (half the length of the note it precedes), as usual in Baroque and Classic? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, by creating separate scores for the layout and for the MIDI playback. See the new version above. (This is also how we could tell it to actually play back the repeated part, let me know if you want that.) DanCherek (talk) 23:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good to know! Yes please for repeat. - I am happy to have brought a choral conductor to DYK! Good video about his work for La Juive on my talk, - best announcemen: "Everybody as soft as possible". It's so nice to see the singers actually look at him (or the camera). That's what we should do tonight in concert ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done, above. DanCherek (talk) 03:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today is Schoenberg's 150th birthday! On display, portrayed by Egon Schiele, with music from Moses und Aron, and with two DYK hooks, one from 2010 and another from 2014; the latter, about his 40th birthday, appeared on his 140th birthday, which made me happy then and now again. - See places for a stunning sunrise, on the day Bruckner's 200th birthday was celebrated (just a few days late). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My story today is about a man who played jazz when it was banned by the Nazis, - you can listen to how they played it later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Dan. [1] at article International Cultic Studies Association is a violation from this website [2]. I wondered if you could rev/del please. Knitsey (talk) 16:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, done. Thanks! DanCherek (talk) 22:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Dan, sorry to bother you again but another user has added the information again [3] copied from [4] Knitsey (talk) 15:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Drmies (talk · contribs) has caught it. Sorry to have bothered you. Knitsey (talk) 15:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That'll be five bucks. Drmies (talk) 15:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikibucks? Or shillbucks? Knitsey (talk) 15:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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