User talk:Bearcat
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Happy New Year
[edit]Happy New Year 2021 I hope your New Year holiday is enjoyable and the coming year is much better than the one we are leaving behind. Best wishes from Los Angeles. // Timothy :: talk |
Editor conflict
[edit]I have been adding more current photos I’ve taken of subjects and places in Sheboygan but User:Mrschimpf has reverted several of those edits, falsely claiming I’m some such of competitor in local media in Sheboygan which I don’t own any interests in media publishing in Sheboygan County. In one edit on Shoreline Metro, my photo of a bus in service was removed because he claimed permissions were questionable and the photo was posed. Then there is the challenge of updating the photo on Sheboygan, Wisconsin. Asher Heimermann (talk
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Asopa Films - Reinstate
[edit]Hi Bearcat,
Looking to get some pages made by Asopa Films put back up and to also save one from being deleted
Aisha and Rahul (2009) - this page has been taken down already, NON WIKI PAGE - https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Aisha_and_Rahul Depth of Pyaar (2019) - this page has been taken down already, NON WIKI PAGE - https://en.everybodywiki.com/Depth_of_Pyaar Zombie Beach (2010) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_Beach
Would like to discuss why these pages were taken down and how I can get them put back up and also make sure they stay up.
Regards, Winter
Wikipedia elections policy
[edit]Bearcat,
Please link me to this wikipedia elections policy in which you discussed on my talk page.
Thanks!
Merry Christmas Bearcat
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You declined this draft, but I made changes to it that I think solved the initial issue. If you could take another look and give me some feedback I would be appreciative. Thanks for your time. WUH34 (talk) 4:45, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
help with vandalism
[edit]Since November 16, 2022, a user who is not logged in, just identified by their IP address has been adding information to the San Antonio FC page that has no sources to back it up with. Specifically they are adding a player to the roster when there is no evidence on the internet, either by the club, league, or anywhere else that this transaction has occurred. I have undone the edit multiple times but they keep adding it back. Please assist.
1/13/23 - The vandalism is occurring again. Would you be able to ban the IP addresses that are adding the incorrect information? TYIA
Please stop removing Draft cats
[edit]I know you are just trying to help, but please stop removing Draft categories as you did in this edit. This merely results in unnecessary extra work for one or more editors: one to tag the Draft as uncategorized, one to remove the uncategorized tag and add the categories back in again, and one to explain the situation. Instead, just leave the categories in the Draft where they are, and surround them with {{Draft categories| ... }}
. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 16:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
As I keep telling people, for a variety of reasons it takes a significantly longer amount of time to disable categories than it does to merely remove them:
- sometimes the page is in bad categories that it wouldn't belong in even if it were in mainspace, which makes more cleanup work down the line if they're just left there,
- sometimes the page is in redlinked categories that don't even exist at all, which makes more cleanup work down the line if they're just left there,
- novice draft creators who don't know standard Wikipedia process don't always place the categories where they're normally expected to be, or sometimes place more than one separate cluster of categories in more than one different place in the draft, meaning that they end up having to be searched for.
So, for all of those reasons, removing the categories from a page takes only a few seconds per page, while disabling them can take up to two or three minutes per page. Sure, that isn't a very big burden if you're dealing with just one or two categorized drafts at a time — but if I'm dealing with the comprehensive weekly system report of categorized drafts, there are hundreds of pages to deal with all at once. Which means it's already a two or three hour job even just to get through it the quicker way, and would become a 12 to 24 hour job if I did it the longer way.
So, sure, to the outside observer it doesn't seem like that big a burden to invest the extra time into disabling the categories instead of removing them, because the outside observer is only seeing one or two pages that they were interested in — but to the editor who actually has to power through a batch of hundreds of categorized drafts in one shot, the extra time accumulates into a much, much bigger burden than they can actually be expected to volunteer to take on. So, sure, if I come across one or two pages in isolation, disabling categories instead of removing them isn't that much of an imposition on my time — but if I'm having to get through hundreds of pages at once, it adds up to a tremendous imposition on my time. Bearcat (talk) 16:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Understood; I get it; it definitely takes longer that way. but there’s a problem, because just removing them, creates triple the problem for other editors, who are adding in a no-categories template, followed by another editor removing the template again and putting the categories back in and has to add the draft categories template, followed in this case, at least, by an explanation that have been removed and draft-protecting them. Also, if it takes less time to just remove them, which is definitely true, it takes a whole lot more to replace them again, and protect them with the draft categories template, which is what I’ve been doing.
- I apologize for the couple dozen notifications you got today about the removals, and it may be best to go into your settings and disable notifications for me so you don’t get these notifications all the time when I restore the draft-protected categories.
- But honestly, removing the categories isn’t really an improvement in many cases, and if it’s too burdensome to go through them and draft protect them, then maybe the best thing is not to remove them at all. Given how repetitive and pattern-based the problem is, I think there may be a better solution for everyone involving a user script. If we go to the the script requests page, we can request a script to be written that will just do this automatically. Then neither of us or anyone else will ever have to bother with this issue again. As things stand now, I just see this as a giant waste of your time, and mine, on something that ought to be done by bot and could be automated fairly easily, thus freeing us up to do something more productive. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 20:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, trust me, I've asked for a bot to look after that before. Not all, certainly, but a lot of drafts have categories on them because they were created in mainspace and then got sandboxed by another editor for lacking sourcing or whatever, without that other editor taking the extra step of disabling the categories in the process — so since there's already a bot that detects such moves and tags them as {{drafts moved from mainspace}} anyway, I've asked if that bot could automatically disable any active categories that are on the draft at the same time, so that we could invest a whole lot less time into draft category cleanup, but that bot's maintainer refused. So I tried asking if another bot could be set loose on the task, only to have no action taken on that request at all.
- Of course, another alternative would be if the report were generated daily, so that instead of updating once a week with a couple hundred categorized drafts all in one shot, it was immediately catching 20 to 30 categorized drafts every 24 hours, so that they could be dealt with promptly in a shorter amount of time per day — but it doesn't, so we're left with having to work within the constraints of the report as it exists.
- But also, AFC approval doesn't happen on entire batches of hundreds of drafts all at once — each AFC reviewer approves or rejects one page at a time, and lots of drafts don't get approved at all — so any "extra" time that has to be put into categorizing the approved draft amounts to a couple of minutes at most, while the extra time that has to be put into polluted-category cleanup can add up to half or more of an entire day. So as long as pollution cleanup remains a task that human editors have to spend time doing, the editors who do it have to be able to get it done in the shortest amount of time possible.
- I mean, I'd dearly love to not have to spend nearly as much time on it anymore, but it's not a task that can just be ignored outright — it's a thing I do because it has to get done, not a thing I do because I think it's fun or enjoyable. So until we do have the tools in place to automate it, I have to be able to minimize the amount of time that actually has to be spent on it, because getting drafts out of categories they shouldn't be in takes hours and hours longer to deal with fixing than putting pages into categories in the first place does. Bearcat (talk) 20:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Interesting to hear te history behind it. I’ll see if I can get some movement going on a bit, whether the same one with a new task, or a brand new one. Thanks for the detailed explanation, that gives me a better window into what is going on. Mathglot (talk) 12:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- I just undid some more of these. Can we please hold off on this kind of edit until we get a bot going or something? It’s not helpful. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, we can't, because the pages absolutely cannot stay in categories for any length of "meantime". It's not a "leave it for weeks and weeks of no action pending an eventual alternative solution" job, it's a "drafts must be immediately taken out of categories the moment they're found" job. And again, there is no rule that categories on draft pages must always just be disabled and can never be removed outright, so I'm not doing anything improper or inappropriate. Bearcat (talk) 21:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- You just keep doing them and I just keep undoing them which seems like a giant waste of both of our time, but I can’t keep up with you because you are too fast for me, and I’m thumb-typing on a mobile device which makes it doubly hard.
- Are you using AWB or some tool-assist to do this? I’m not an AWB user, but as I understand, it is very good at recognizing patterns and making alterations based on them, and this seems tailor-made for that sort of thing, so instead of deleting the categories, you could just have AWB wrap them in {{Draft categories}} which will be the best of both worlds. I’m sure we could get someone with AWB experience to help with setting this up, if you don’t know how to do it. The bot alternative would be even better as it would solve the problem at bot-speed, and then none of these would ever turn up in whatever feed you are using again, freeing you up to do more productive things. Mathglot (talk) 15:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Since there is a rule that drafts can't be in categories, but there isn't a rule that any categories that are found on drafts have to just be disabled rather than removed, that means that getting drafts out of categories is a thing that has to be done while going around restoring disabled categories to drafts that had categories removed from them is not a thing that has to be done. So the problem here isn't that I'm doing anything incorrect or improper, it's that you're making unnecessary busywork for yourself on a task that isn't necessary at all.
- AWB isn't a viable alternative, either. There's no way to make an AWB-compatible text file out of the polluted categories report, for one thing — it lists the affected categories, not the individual draft pages in them, so the only way to find the pages is to check each category one by one to search for pages whose titles begin with "Draft:", and there's no way to generate a text file of the individual pages for an AWB batch. (The polluted categories report additionally doesn't know how to distinguish "categories for articles that also have drafts in them" from "categories for drafts that also have articles in them" — it just checks and lists every category that mixes both drafts and mainspace articles regardless of which type of content is supposed to be in that category, while it's a human editor who has to determine that the problem in some case is a misfiled article rather than a misfiled draft — so even if it were possible to generate an AWBable batch report out of it, that would still catch some pages that don't actually need any action and miss some pages that do.)
- AWB additionally doesn't offer me any way to verify whether any given category is a redlink that doesn't exist, or a duplicate-categorized parent of another category that the page is already also in, or a category that the page wouldn't even belong in at all anyway — all of those are types of categories that have to come completely off the page even if you're just disabling other categories, because leaving them there just creates other cleanup work in the future if the page ever gets mainspaced without those redlinked or duplicate categories having been removed. So those are things I have to catch and fix at the same time as any other DRAFTNOCAT cleanup, not things that can just be left on the page for a future round of other cleanup — but AWB offers me no way to determine whether any given category exists or not, no way to determine whether any given category is appropriate or not, no way to determine whether any given category is a parent of another category that's also on the same page already, and on and so forth. So even if there were a way to generate an AWBable text file out of the polluted categories report, AWB still wouldn't be the way to go with it, because AWB doesn't feature any of the tools I would need to fix any of the other problems that I also have to check every page for at the same time.
- But ultimately, the only rule is that draft pages can't be in categories — there is no rule stating that categories on draft pages must always just be disabled rather than removed, and some types of categories (redlinks, duplicates, ones that the page would never belong in regardless) have to be removed outright even if other categories are merely being disabled. Getting drafts out of categories is an essential task, while going around readding and disabling categories that other people have removed from drafts is not an essential task. So if you're finding it a burden, consider that it's not essential in the first place, and thus is a burden you don't actually have to take on — disabling categories on drafts is not a requirement, it's merely one of two options alongside removal as another option, and there just isn't any rule that disabling is required and removal is forbidden. So going around readding disabled versions of categories that other editors have removed from drafts just isn't a job that needs to be done in the first place, because "disable and do not remove" is simply not a rule. Bearcat (talk) 16:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, we can't, because the pages absolutely cannot stay in categories for any length of "meantime". It's not a "leave it for weeks and weeks of no action pending an eventual alternative solution" job, it's a "drafts must be immediately taken out of categories the moment they're found" job. And again, there is no rule that categories on draft pages must always just be disabled and can never be removed outright, so I'm not doing anything improper or inappropriate. Bearcat (talk) 21:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I just undid some more of these. Can we please hold off on this kind of edit until we get a bot going or something? It’s not helpful. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Interesting to hear te history behind it. I’ll see if I can get some movement going on a bit, whether the same one with a new task, or a brand new one. Thanks for the detailed explanation, that gives me a better window into what is going on. Mathglot (talk) 12:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
I am going to make a script request for someone to build a script to add the draft categories protection. Can you please describe the procedure you use now to delete categories? I want to make sure that the script will be at least as easy and fast or faster than what you are doing now. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 08:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- If this was a script that I still had to visit each categorized draft to manually invoke, then there's no way it can possibly save me any significant mount of time. As I explained above, the polluted categories report just produces a list of the implicated categories, and I have to visit each category to find the draft — which is precisely why it's already a two or three hour job even doing it the quickest possible way, and there's no way that a category-disabling script that I had to manually invoke could reduce that amount of upfront time enough to make just disabling the categories a more time-efficient alternative than clicking a few minus signs in HotCat.
- I have to click on each individual category listed in the report, and do one of several different things to find the draft: the category might have only a few pages in it, in which case the draft is easy to find just by eyeballing the list. It might have enough pages in it that I have to pull up my browser's search-in-page function to look for "Draft:". It might have more than 200 pages in it, so that I have to use the category's next button to search more than one page's worth of category entries. It might have so many pages in it that I have to do a full-on incategory search with Wikipedia's search function. So reducing the amount of time involved in the job isn't just a matter of making it easier to disable the categories after the draft has been found — it also requires finding ways to reduce the number of categorized drafts that even have to be found in the first place.
- The only thing that would actually reduce the amount of time I have to spend working through the polluted categories report in any sense would be a bot going through Category:All content moved from mainspace to draftspace and disabling any categories on its own before they ever get picked up by the polluted categories report in the first place. This obviously wouldn't catch every categorized draft across the board, because that isn't the only way that drafts become categorized, but it would catch a lot of them, and thus save time because the report itself would be reduced in size.
- But if a solution would leave the report itself unchanged in size, and required me to continue searching each category to find the individual drafts and deal with their categories manually, then there's no possible way for any such script to be a quicker alternative than HotCat if the script wasn't doing anything about the upfront "finding the drafts in the first place" time as well. Bearcat (talk) 12:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think I understood the essential points there, so let me run with it and see what happens. I’ll ping you from wherever, so you can follow along. Might not be right away as I’m mobile. Hopefully something will come out of this to make your life easier, at least in this point. Mathglot (talk) 14:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Bots devoted to this
[edit]I think you can save yourself the time you spend doing these as a manual effort, as bots PrimeBOT 2 and DannyS712 bot 3 are both devoted to this task and do it automatically. I believe that PrimeBOT might no longer be active but DannyS bot is, so it should handle all of the cases you are currently doing manually. If you think it is missing some, can you please leave some examples? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 00:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have no sense of how many categorized drafts DannyS712 bot catches, but I can state categorically that it doesn't catch them all — if it did, then Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories (2) would always be empty, because if the bot were catching all the categorized drafts then there wouldn't be any categories with drafts in them for that report to detect. The fact that it isn't empty, and in fact inevitably catches a couple of hundred categories with drafts in them each time it runs means that the bot is not catching all categorized drafts, so anything that shows up in that report is something I do have to handle manually because a bot failed to catch it, so every single category that ever shows up in that report at all is always an example of at least one categorized draft (and sometimes several) that the bot failed to catch. So luckily I don't need to compile a list of missed drafts, because that report already constitutes a list of missed drafts. Bearcat (talk) 02:20, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- How do you know the bot failed to catch them all? If you are deleting them before the bot gets there, then it won't find those, but maybe it would have a few minutes or hours later. Although bots are fast, they are not infinitely fast, and if you are looking at the category at the same time the bot is, you will still see whichever drafts the bot hasn't gotten around to yet. Maybe it would've handled them shortly after you got there, making your effort unnecessary. Or, maybe your efforts are vital and the bot simply cannot handle that level of volume and would've quickly become overwhelmed but for your efforts at keeping the numbers down. Shouldn't we find out which scenario is accurate? If it's the first one, then you could save yourself the effort and let the bot do it, while you could spend your time doing something more fun, productive, or something a bot simply could not do. Mathglot (talk) 04:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I checked the edit histories of several articles the last time I did a run, precisely because of this conversation — and many of the pages I dealt with had been in the categories for an entire week, because they had been placed in categories on May 26 or 27. The report isn't catching categories that have had drafts in them for a few minutes, such that the bot might come along in just five more minutes — it's catching categories that have had drafts in them for days and days, because the bot never came along at all.
- The thing is, if you read that report for DannyS712 bot, it's not programmed to just scour draftspace looking for any and all categorized drafts across the board — it's programmed to monitor one specific maintenance category, Category:AfC submissions with categories, that only catches pages that have both categories and the AFC submission template on them at the same time. If a draft page doesn't have the AFC submission template on it, then it won't be in that maintenance category, and thus the bot won't ever see or catch it at all. Again, I don't monitor the bot's edit activity, so I don't know how many drafts it typically catches in a day — but it only catches categories on drafts that have the AFC submission template on them, and does not catch categories on drafts that don't have the AFC submission template on them, and a lot of drafts don't have that template on them and thus will never be caught by the bot. Bearcat (talk) 10:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is really good information. I'm not sure why the bot is programmed that way and I will see if it's possible to track down why it was done that way. Maybe the bot can be adjusted to do what you suggest, and then we won't have that problem anymore. Also, not sure why PrimeBot was deactivated, if that's what it was, and maybe it can just be restarted. I'll check. Mathglot (talk) 16:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC) Follow-up here. Mathglot (talk) 17:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- And here, at the bot Talk page. Mathglot (talk) 09:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- The bot's modification request is now approved, so there has been progress, but we're not there yet. I'm continuing to monitor and will keep you informed of future developments. Mathglot (talk) 22:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- How do you know the bot failed to catch them all? If you are deleting them before the bot gets there, then it won't find those, but maybe it would have a few minutes or hours later. Although bots are fast, they are not infinitely fast, and if you are looking at the category at the same time the bot is, you will still see whichever drafts the bot hasn't gotten around to yet. Maybe it would've handled them shortly after you got there, making your effort unnecessary. Or, maybe your efforts are vital and the bot simply cannot handle that level of volume and would've quickly become overwhelmed but for your efforts at keeping the numbers down. Shouldn't we find out which scenario is accurate? If it's the first one, then you could save yourself the effort and let the bot do it, while you could spend your time doing something more fun, productive, or something a bot simply could not do. Mathglot (talk) 04:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Issue has been taken care of.
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Redev request
[edit]Could you delete this edit from the public archives? It serves no purpose other than to grossly defame me. Dronebogus (talk) 19:56, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you Dronebogus (talk) 20:55, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Categories for films
[edit]Hi, Should I create the categories for films uploaded here? These films can't be uploaded to Commons. Thanks, Yann (talk) 06:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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Interference
[edit]Bearcat, keep your paws off my sandbox page. Thank you. Kelisi (talk) 18:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Help with an edit
[edit]While editing a page, I got a strange message saying I was not logged in (although I was); I went through a confirmation process (involving a captcha) and then saved the edit. Alas, it showed it as an IP edit, which is unfortunate. Would it be possible to erase that edit, and the IP info? (I can redo the edit later on if needed, no problem.) Thanks, Turgidson (talk) 14:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback. My issue was with my IP being made public, not with the edit per se. This also happened to me once a year or two ago, and then an admin was able to erase the edit. But if this cannot be done now, OK, I'll live with it. Turgidson (talk) 14:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Nomination of With Love (2018 film) for deletion
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Candidates of the 45th Canadian federal election
[edit]- You have blocked discussion of an article someone (not me) submitted. I tripped over this because I was looking for the article, which I have always found useful before previous elections.
- You have created a rule, new to me, that there can be no such article until 6 months before the election date.
- You asked for authoritative sources on such candidates. Here's one on the Liberals:
- https://www.hilltimes.com/story/2024/03/11/only-89-of-156-liberal-mps-have-been-nominated-for-next-election-more-than-a-year-after-deadline/414177/
- (I have a subscription and can read it.) List of the 89 MPs. Details of 14 MPs—10 Liberals, two NDP, one Conservative, and one Conservative-turned-Independent who have publicly announced they won’t seek re-election.
- Please re-consider this 6-month rule.
- Wilfred Day (talk) 07:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a rule I made up. When has the candidate list ever previously been in place a year and a half or more before the scheduled election date? When has that ever been a thing anybody needed fifteen to twenty full months in advance?
- I said all along, if an early snap election gets called, then the article can be rushed into place quickly since it will obviously have become necessary. But when you get right down to it, the candidate list is fundamentally a long, long list of people who are mostly not notable at all right now, where a small minority of them might become notable in the future but the majority of them never will — so until an election becomes imminent enough that the list of names actually gains collective significance in its own right as a group, the page is just a list of names.
- The other thing I would note is that the page had already been declined several times by other AFC reviewers on the exact same grounds, but then the page creator would just ignore their input and immediately resumbit it to the approval queue again without listening to their feedback about it. But that's disruptive, and the AFC queue is already backlogged enough as it is without having to deal with pages that keep coming back over and over again just because the creator doesn't agree with the feedback they're being given. it's not a rule I made up, because several other reviewers said the exact same things about it — which is why I acted to stop the page from continually getting resubmitted to the review queue by an editor who wasn't listening to them.
- Again, if a snap election gets called this fall, then we can and will move the article into place when we've gotten to that bridge in order to need to cross it — but until a snap election does get called, the election remains officially scheduled for October 2025, and there's simply no urgent need for a candidate table to already be in place 15 months in advance of that. Bearcat (talk) 13:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- The next Nova Scotia election will be held on or before 15 July 2025. This is not a minority government at risk of an early election, unlike the federal government.
- Yet the list of candidates is already posted:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Nova_Scotia_general_election
- As usual, it includes one candidate expected to be nominated soon. This is useful information.
- Please reconsider your 6-month federal limit. Wilfred Day (talk) 22:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Firstly, once again, it is not "my" limit. I don't own it, I didn't invent it, and I didn't "make up" a single thing that several other AFC reviewers hadn't already said before I came along. So I will brook no further attempts, from you or anybody else, to make this a me thing, because it is not "my" limit.
- Secondly, please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. For one thing, a premature election results table that exists as a section nestled within the election article is not the same thing, and not subject to the same issues, as a premature election results table that would be its own standalone page. And for another, that article really shouldn't already be doing that either. So it's not a reason why an early federal election results table would need to exist this far in advance of the currently expected election date, it's a reason why the premature election results table should be removed from the Nova Scotia article.
- It simply is not, and never has been, standard Wikipedia practice that a candidates table needed to exist a full year to 18 months in advance of the election. A candidate list will be rushed into place if a snap election is called this fall, but until a snap election is called the official date of the election remains October 2025 in the meantime, and there has never been any standard practice that candidate lists needed to exist more than a year in advance. And again, this is not "my" rule, it's standard consensus that was already backed up by several other AFC reviewers before I came along. So I am not taking ownership of your complaints about it, because it is not "my" rule to reconsider — especially because what I said doesn't make the page's creation impossible in the first place.
- Absolutely any established AFC reviewer who believed that I and the other prior reviewers were wrong would be perfectly free to "overrule" us and approve the page themselves regardless of anything I said. The reason it isn't getting moved isn't that I've done anything that makes it impossible for that to happen, it's that other established and reputable AFC reviewers aren't in disagreement with me about an article being premature. Bearcat (talk) 21:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'll try once more and give up:
- Here is a current relevant Hill Times article, dealing with the new electoral districts for the next election:
- https://www.hilltimes.com/story/2024/08/26/adjusting-to-the-new-order-liberals-lead-in-riding-association-set-up/432367/
- "The Liberal Party already has all 343 electoral district associations (EDA) officially registered with Elections Canada under the new representation order—as it’s had for weeks, dating back to at least July. As of Aug. 23, the Conservative Party had 273 EDAs registered, while the NDP had 237, and the Green Party 135." Lots of candidates in place, more every week. If lists are not needed more than a year in advance, perhaps I will find one posted in November. Wilfred Day (talk) 06:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:Canadian women designers has been nominated for merging
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Three Principles Psychology
[edit]Hello, I am grateful for your assistance! But I'm not sure what this means please? "This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Bearcat (talk | contribs) at 18:57, 25 August 2024 (uncategorized). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision."
Thank you. 45.118.65.1 (talk) 21:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I tagged the page with the {{Uncategorized}} template because it isn't filed in any categories. I'm really not sure what's difficult to understand about that. Bearcat (talk) 22:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Restoring draft for Jim Harrity
[edit]A few days ago I wrote to Liz on her talk page about restoring the Jim Harrity page as a draft; it was deleted in December 2022 following a Jim Harrity AfD discussion where she was the closer. However, she seems swamped with questions right now and you were actually the one who deleted the article so I thought I'd ask you. All of the current Philadelphia City Council members now have articles (Jeffery Young Jr. still needs to be reviewed) and it would be good to have one for Harrity. At the time you noted the subject had just been elected to office, i.e. WP:TOOSOON. It's now 21 months later and there is more coverage. I could just start from scratch but I'd like to keep the history intact. Nnev66 (talk) 18:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Wally Pleasant albums
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A tag has been placed on Category:Wally Pleasant albums indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 22:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
New article
[edit]Hi
There is a new article Murshid (TV series) created by someone. I have tried to clean it up and make it worthy of wiki. I will add reviews as soon as they are available. The show features the very reputable Kay Kay Menon in lead and releases tomorrow. Request you to have a look and suggest changes to make it better. If possible do review and approve it. Thank you Filmy World (talk) 17:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps?
[edit]Is it perhaps time to unprotect Canadian Union of Public Employees?
Thanks. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:45B5:3629:911E:2628 (talk) 02:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:The Numbers not in Wikidata has been nominated for renaming
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Help plz
[edit]Hello, an article with the name (Habib Bahmani) that you edited earlier, has now been deleted. Please correct it and help Wikipedia expand. Thank you professional user 5.106.197.151 (talk) 04:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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Categories for draft articles
[edit]Why are you deleting all the categories instead of using other options? There is a special template to be used {{Draft categories}}, another option is to use colon in front ([[:Category:]]) or comment it out <!-- ... --> Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Saw the comment from above, if dealing with dozens or hunders of pages, try configuring WP:AWB. Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Firstly, as I've already explained more times than I care to count, it is not mandatory that categories on drafts must be merely disabled rather than removed. That is an option, not a requirement.
- Secondly, for a variety of reasons, disabling categories takes longer than simply removing them does. People do all kinds of strange things with categories on draft or sandbox pages: declaring them in unexpected places in the page, placing several distinct clusters of categories at different places in the same page, using categories that a page wouldn't belong in even if it were in mainspace (e.g. filing a musician directly in Category:Music instead of appropriate subcategories) and would still have to be removed regardless of whether I was removing or just disabling other categories, using redlinked categories that don't even exist to be used and would still have to be removed regardless of whether I was removing or just disabling other categories, and on and so forth. All of which means that disabling categories can take up to five or six times longer than merely removing them does.
- But between Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories and Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories (2), I have to clean up a batch of several hundred inappropriately categorized draft and sandbox pages all at once, which means it's already going to take me several hours to get through all of them even the quick way, and if I did it the five times longer way it would take me days to get through them all. But it isn't my responsibility to devote days of my life to that: it's not a thing I do because I think it's fun or enjoyable, it's a thing I do because it has to get done, so I am entitled to get it done in the shortest amount of time possible. And since it isn't a requirement that categories on draft or user pages just be disabled rather than removed, but rather disabling and removing are both acceptable options, it is simply not my responsibility to choose the "days and days to get through the batch" option instead of the "wham through it in the quickest amount of time possible and then move on" option. Bearcat (talk) 15:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- AWB isn't a viable way of dealing with the batch. The reports don't give me a list of the draft pages, they give me a list of the categories that have draft pages in them, and I have to search each category to find the offending draft (which is another reason why the job takes hours to get through even doing it the quick way). I would have to feed AWB a list of the drafts themselves, not a list of the affected categories, but there's no way to turn a list of the affected categories into a feedable-into-AWB list of the drafts. Bearcat (talk) 15:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Just a question
[edit]I admit I have been retired from wikipedia for years, and while I admit I have not been on here for nearly as long as you, and no doubt appreciate your service to the site, please humor me, as I am curious and not being hostile. Please break it down, barney style, as I was a borderline ASVAB waiver and reading is hard.
Also, since it has been years for me, I am sure much has changed, and I never did fully learn WikiMarkup, and the little I do remember, is mostly forgotten.
Why are you editing user's sandbox pages? Does that not belong to me? It is not a published article. Is there something about categories that mess with the site? If so, please let me know, so I can prevent it from happening again. I don't want to create more work for whatever task force you belong to. But I got a notification via email of someone editing my sandbox, and for a layman like me, I am sure you can understand my confusion.
Respectfully yours,
Luis The Commodore (talk) 17:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
thank you
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Thank you so much I did not realize my Sandbox was listed in all those categories! CatTits10 (talk) 21:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC) |
Citation Bot Malfunction.
[edit]Hi @Bearcat: I just wanted to know if you're watching or monitoring a page you created?
reason why is because I just saw that a citation bot is messing up references on articles you created. might want to make sure that it's not doing that on more articles.
I don't know how to track down the person who used the bot to make those edits to all the articles.
but I'll link this edit I found of the citation bot here [4] for you, its creating deadlinks and not really fixing citations correctly , Not sure if I should report this to you (admin) or another editor with other type of rights on wiki. hopefully you can revert it and stop it before it goes around doing it to hundreds of article.
cheers! GrantleyAbrahams (talk) 21:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)