User talk:Koavf

Welcome to Wikidata, Koavf!

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Regards, --Wiki13 _talk 18:51, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Koavf, I saw you were adding langlinks on the Indianapolis item. I just want to let you there's tool for adding langlinks. This makes it really easy to add them all at once. You need to add

mw.loader.load("//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tpt/slurpInterwiki.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");

to your common.js. Regards, Wiki13 _talk 18:59, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Per your successful RfA I have promoted you to administrator. Congratulations. Best regards. — MarcoAurelio (talk) 15:12, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've brought up your deletion of Category:User simple at WD:Project chat.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with that. The spirit of the wiki is to allow any page to be edited, and protection should be used only to prevent ongoing disruption, which has not materialized.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:43, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! We are currently in the process of confirming all of the early admins, and you are scheduled to be confirmed between 7 - 11 February 2013. Please create an entry at Wikidata:Administrators/Confirm 2013/4, and see Wikidata:Administrators/Confirm 2013 for more details. Techman224^Talk 00:20, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you add non-English names of Wikipedia as English aliases? --Yair rand (talk) 06:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops That was a silly error—I noticed part of the way through and stopped, but didn't delete the aliases I had already added. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Koavf! I just revisited (Q'|11590237) . You may add some help tools to user:Koavf/common.js . Please see User:Rotsaert8000 (in Esperanto), Wikidata:Tools, and Wikidata:Tools/User scripts. On the user:i18n-page you will see all WD gadget links. It takes time to see what fits most of your interests. Good luck gangLeri לערי ריינהארט (talk) 11:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it because 'instrumental' is not a language. I guessed it was okay to remove because 'instrumental' was already covered by the genres mentioned. I can't think of a way of expressing "no language" in data, apart from leaving the value empty (clicking on the little icon and pressing "no value"). I didn't do that because I don't recall that being done on any other items about language-less music pieces I've seen. --BurritoBazooka (talk) 14:06, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@BurritoBazooka: But instrumental music isn't a genre. Do you know how any Wikipedias handle this? I've edited a lot of album articles on en.wp and "instrumental" is considered valid for the Language field there. Thanks for responding. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC

Just saw you around here, excellent :) WD needs more cross-pollination from other active networks. Sj (talk) 21:50, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Sj: Thanks: I always want to work more on WMF projects than time will allow. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:00, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! About this edit war: in your opinion, what's wrong in the current sorting method? This category will not be contain any other articles, in addition to the translation of this page. Current alphabetic segmentation looks good and comfortable. --Kaganer (talk) 11:38, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I saw a situation that caused your edit. My poposed solution - see Template_talk:Translation_categories#Sort_order_for_subpages_with_subsubpages ;) --Kaganer (talk) 12:33, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Kaganer: Thanks. Happy Thanksgiving. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:02, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Have you seen meta:2016 Community Wishlist Survey/Categories/Wikidata? You're one of the two people listed on Wikidata:Incubator and one of the proposals on there is to add support for Incubator so I thought you might be interested.

Also, while I'm here, I've added the Finnish Wikivoyage page you asked for at Talk:Q16503. :) - Nikki (talk) 19:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Nikki: Thanks a lot. I'm taking out interwikis at voy:fi: and adding them here now and I see that you've done some of the same. Thanks for that. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:43, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I have :) I like getting new projects linked to Wikidata. Feel free to ping me if you find any more that you can't add yourself. - Nikki (talk) 19:54, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Nikki: I have a list generated from AWB of 1,662 that I am working through now. Are you doing your links systematically or just at random? Do you want to work together? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:11, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm currently doing them fairly randomly, going through voy:fi:Special:UnconnectedPages and picking out places I recognise, checking the English page name and then adding them to Wikidata in batches using QuickStatements. I haven't been removing the local interwiki links though (as you might have noticed). We could try to work together, what do you have in mind? - Nikki (talk) 21:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Nikki: That's great, as I tried to run Duplicity but it only works on pages older than two weeks. UnconnectedItems works immediately though. Thanks. You can keep doing what you're doing and that is fine by me--I will just keep on deleting with AWB and then return to the special page with you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:52, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, the person behind the Ip has been a nuisance cross-wiki for a long time ,especially enwiki. MechQuester (talk) 22:27, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MechQuester: Thanks. I'll keep my eyes peeled on wikis where I have advanced user rights. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:32, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

no problem. just notice the range block MechQuester (talk) 01:41, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Koavf,

I was wondering about this category. I was wondering if I can start to mass add them to wikispecies. One of them would be this one.

Thanks, MechQuester (talk) 03:42, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MechQuester: I say go for it, especially if you have sources. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:00, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I was wondering why you reverted my edit here. It doesn't seem to me that love is really the opposite of apathy, or at least not in the common conception of the terms. If it is in there, it probably deserves a qualifier of some kind, but at the very least it should be bidirectional.

Thanks, Tamwin (talk) 20:40, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The opposite of love is not hate but apathy is a common aphorism. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:48, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The given name (P735) and family name (P734) properties are used for the name the person goes by currently. Because the given name and family name fields are used in Wikimedia templates (on Commons and others) to categorize articles. You can use aliases or name (P2561) with qualifiers to note other names.

I'm gonna go ahead and make those changes on Christine Hallquist (Q56167585) later this afternoon move Dave and David to name (P2561) with qualifiers. William Graham (talk) 19:08, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@William Graham: I don't see any indication of that at given name (P735) and name (P2561) says to use more specific properties if possible. Where are you getting this current usage intepretation? In fact, it's contradicted in actual usage (e.g. Muhammad Ali (Q36107) or the examples in the documentation--George Washington doesn't currently go by any name). It seems like this is just ad hoc and made up but I'm willing to be shown otherwise if you can point me to any documentation or consensus on this. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:15, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@William Graham: ?—Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:37, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for overeacting. The given name field with start and end times is correct. Apologies again. William Graham (talk) 20:03, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@William Graham: William, it's not about that, man--sorry if I overrreacted. We're all just trying to do the right thing here. Thanks, man. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:35, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

I reverted you on love (L1029) as காதல் is clearly not en English word, so it has nothing to do in this Lexeme.

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 08:05, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I posted a discussion here: Talk:Q61741521. That is a site with registered access only previous payment. It's against Wiki policy. It can't be accepted as official site. -- L'Ospite Inatteso - I love to love you 19:31, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Koavf, Can you see about this [1] and this [2] the description is not same in arabic and english and a not what have wrote in arabic article --Nehaoua (talk) 14:46, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nehaoua: Thanks. I made an edit and it seems like the state of the item now is fine from what I can tell. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:38, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Justin. Would it be possible for you to revert this sock's last POV edit? I would have done it, but the page is semi protected and I'm not a confirmed user on Wikidata. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 17:42, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@M.Bitton:  Done. Anything for you, M. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:50, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 19:31, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Koavf,

I hope you are doing good,

I am Kholoud, a researcher at King's College London, and I work on a project as part of my PhD research, in which I have developed a personalised recommender system that suggests Wikidata items for the editors based on their past edits. I am collaborating on this project with Elena Simperl and Miaojing Shi.

I am inviting you to a task-based study that will ask you to provide your judgments about the relevance of the items suggested by our system based on your previous edits.

Participation is completely voluntary, and your cooperation will enable us to evaluate the accuracy of the recommender system in suggesting relevant items to you. We will analyse the results anonymised, and they will be published to a research venue.

The study will start in late January 2022 or early February 2022, and it should take no more than 30 minutes.

If you agree to participate in this study, please either contact me at kholoud.alghamdi@kcl.ac.uk or use this form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSees9WzFXR0Vl3mHLkZCaByeFHRrBy51kBca53euq9nt3XWog/viewform?usp=sf_link

I will contact you with the link to start the study.

For more information about the study, please read this post: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Kholoudsaa

In case you have further questions or require more information, don't hesitate to contact me through my mentioned email.

Thank you for considering taking part in this research.

Regards

Kholoudsaa (talk) 20:47, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello.

Can you correct the date of death of the singer Darius Campbell (Q623933)? The singers was found unresponsive and declared dead on 11 August 2022. 16 August is the date, his death was made public by his family. Please see the sources.

Yours sincerely, 31.200.19.49 23:32, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed! Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:33, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. 31.200.19.49 23:45, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. You have made some edits on Matt Walker (Q4994327). I suppose adding p570 "date of death" is a mistake? Best regards PHE77 (talk) 11:20, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was not: having no date of death listed could mean either 1.) it has happened and we haven't documented it or 2.) it hasn't happened yet. By putting in the "no value", this says that he's still living. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:21, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I promise to do a Wikidata tutorial by the end of the week so I'm not a further burden on the system LOL. Jengod (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, friend: we've all been kittens at one time or another. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

English | español | français | Nederlands | русский | +/−

Congratulations! You now have the rights of administrator on Wikidata. Please take a moment to read the Wikidata:Administrators page and watchlist related pages (in particular Wikidata:Project chat, Wikidata:Requests for comment, and Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard), before launching yourself into page deletions, page protections, account blockings, or modifications of protected pages.

Please feel free to join us on IRC: #wikidata-admin^connect. If you need access, you can flag someone down at #wikidata^connect. You may find Wikidata:Guide to Adminship to be useful reading. You may also want to consider adding yourself to meta:Template:Wikidata/Ambassadors, and to any similar page on your home wiki if one exists. (Check Wikipedia:Wikidata/Wikidatans (Q14964498).)

Please also add/update the languages you speak to your listing at Wikidata:List of administrators and Wikidata:Administrators/Timeline. You may also like to add your username to this list if you would not like that items you delete at RfD get marked as deleted automatically. Again, welcome to the admin corps!

Ymblanter (talk) 13:45, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

<3<3<3 —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:47, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Koavf,

The same IP user 5.179.170.233, 5.11.99.206, 5.77.84.180, 5.11.100.35, has also vandalized my contributions in the Wikidata pages that are not protected, under the IP number 95.131.46.246.

Can you temporarily protect the remaining Wikidata pages, that I edited and which he vandalized? And once the temporary protections of the protected Wikidata pages end, can you lengthen the duration?

It is obvious, that this person will not stop stalking me and vandalize any Wikidata page I edited and want to edit.

Can you add me and the Wikidata pages I edit on your watchlist. I have never been stalked before in the web and it really is an unpleasant feeling.

Yours sincerely, Harashim (talk) 09:12, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done: IP blocked and pages protected. There's no point in protecting and letting it expire to protect again: if I were going to do that, I could just make the initial protection longer or even infinite. Please do escalate again if you're experiencing problems and I'll do what I can to help. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:30, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Harashim (talk) 17:07, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Koavf,

I just discovered today, that the same IP user 5.77.79.25, vandalized the pages on July 18, which I have undone. He also vandalized my talk page, which I erased.

Can you protect, all the pages this IP vandalized and which I undid today? Can you also protect my user page and talk page? Once the temporary protections end, on August 12, I am certain this IP will attack again. Harashim (talk) 16:15, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. Can you also temporarily protect the other Wikidata pages this IP vandalized, which are not many? Harashim (talk) 17:57, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Working on it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:04, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. Harashim (talk) 22:29, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

De rien, meine Freund. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:10, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Koavf,

The same IP user 5.77.86.189, has struck in the Wikidata page of Annie Lennox (Q151231) again, which I undid. Can you temporarily protect that page, and other paged this IP user has vandalized in the past, under the IP numbers 5.179.170.233, 5.11.99.206, 5.77.84.180, 5.11.100.35, 5.77.79.25 and 95.131.46.246?

Can you temporarily protect these Wikidata pages again or lengthen the duration, that I edited and which he vandalized?

Yours sincerely, Harashim (talk) 09:02, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Protected that item. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 12:33, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. Harashim (talk) 12:40, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for alerting me. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 12:55, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Koavf,

The vandal 5.179.171.174, has struck in the other Wikidata pages I had edited, on October 22, the day after I alerted you. This person vandalizes every Wikidata page I once edited. He will vandalize the other Wikidata pages, I once edited and whose protection has expired, for certain.

Yours sincerely, Harashim (talk) 03:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done for six months this time. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:43, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. Can you also protect the Wikidata of "Rob Nelson" (Q23018109) which he also vandalized? Harashim (talk) 07:12, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. Harashim (talk) 14:43, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is the second time you have approached me with hostility on a noticeboard. I am asking you politely to please extend the same civility to me. As an admin, I believe you would be held to this standard no matter what. Elizium23 (talk) 21:42, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide diffs to the purported uncivil comments. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:21, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Elizium23: —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:04, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please explain how Wikidata:Revision deletion justified hiding this? Jasper Deng (talk) 21:31, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It contains defamatory content that is part of the LTA GRP's series of cross-wiki attacks on certain users, such as Dave. He uses these wikis as a personal publishing house to air his grievances against users that he dislikes and that is inappropriate. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Thanks. Redlink fixed by saving an edit by using the edit conflict resolution tools that incidentally removed your comment.) RudolfoMD (talk) 00:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pobody's nerfect, Rudolfo. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:07, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Calling on you because we've crossed paths elsewhere, and I'm not an admin here on Wikidata. I posted a few days ago at Wikidata:Project chat#Multiplex requesting help cleaning up a mess I made. I've gotten no response; I'd really rather not be leaving broken items around in my wake.

Also (less importantly), in the section following that (Bali Arts Market): was I in fact wrong to bring this issue to the project chat? The only response I've gotten is to be chewed out. If things like this are indeed not acceptable for that page, probably the header saying Project chat is a place "to discuss any and all aspects of Wikidata" should be changed, or at least some qualifier added.

If responding to me here, please ping; I don't have an account on Wikidata. - Jmabel (talk) 05:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmabel: Sucks that it seems like you had a bad experience, but based on what I saw, you were being helpful and I'm happy that you posted. I hope this doesn't dissuade you from future editing around these parts, J. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:18, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good to know. When you wander in where you don't regularly appear, and get told you are doing it wrong, it's hard to evaluate whether you or the other person got it wrong. - Jmabel (talk) 16:58, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, pobody's nerfect and I seem to recall you fixing tons of errors I've made and helping me before. I've seen your username many times and I don't recoil, so you must have been doing something rite. Let me know how else I can help you, friend. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:51, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

hello @Koavf Dear Admin, My name is Kemi Makinde, I am a Wikipedian and a project organiser. We are organising Reading Wikipedia in the Classroom for secondary school teachers. This user who was blocked is a new user. He was blocked immediately he created his account. He is participating in the Reading Wikipedia in the Classroom program. His username is Ogoye. Thank you! Semmy1960 (talk) 07:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

user:Ogoye: "User account "Ogoye" is not registered on this wiki." —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like User:Ogoye is a user of English, Hausa and Meta user. -- ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 00:43, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Evidently: Special:CentralAuth/Ogoye. If he's causing problems on other wikis, those need to be the ones that block him and if he's giving cross-wiki abuse, then it can be posted at m:Steward_requests/Global. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, i'm working on adding proper track lists to all items with this identifier. Interested in helping me out? Trade (talk) 17:09, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I actually am and have noticed that you've been adding these to items that I've made: great work. What do I do? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:13, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copy the tracklist from Bandcamp into the Multi-track Drafting tool to add the tracks the album. Then you can add ID's like Genius song ID, ISRC and MusicBrainz recording ID to the songs afterwards --Trade (talk) 17:20, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's beautiful. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:21, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you figured it out? Trade (talk) 23:57, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've not. I've just been preoccupied. :/ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Might be an idea to split the item into three due to the huge difference in track numbers Trade (talk) 22:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe. I'm not clear on best practice on editions/formats/catalogue numbers. I have a long-term goal to make an albums wikiproject here to standardize this. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Moebus:--Trade (talk) 12:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Moebeus:--Trade (talk) 12:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. Catalog numbers belong on each album release, the releases are tied to the album via the release of property. Basically we have the same model as MusicBrainz, Discogs, Allmusic etc. Moebeus (talk) 12:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think that a master release with items that are about individual releases (distribution formats) makes sense. Are you two interested in a deliberate WikiProject on albums specifically? @Trade, Moebeus:. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't this basically what Wikiproject Music are doing already? Trade (talk) 22:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you think it's redundant, I'm totally fine with folding it into Music. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good idea Trade (talk) 20:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Please explain the reason for your unjustified rollbacks in this item. Note that the updated changes and other tweaks here are more than correct, and there is no reason to revert them, especially with a rollback use, it is completely unacceptable. If you don't agree with the edits made, the rollback function is not applicable here anyway. By the way, by doing this rollback you have also removed some other stuff (like aliases) that were added between the edits, please restore them back.

Please elaborate on what you mean by "this is correct", because on the contrary, your edits introduce some issues. So for instance video games don't use (see also this query) follows (P155)/followed by (P156) in the main statements, but you use them here for some reason, why? For this purpose, there is a part of the series (P179) property with which you indicate the previous/next titles. Then, you added all rights reserved (Q1752207) as a license, and this is not the license that software items usually use. In our case, proprietary license (Q3238057) should be fine.

Now regarding the languages you added. It is sufficient to specify English as the language in the title. There is no need to indicate its other dialects. If you look at a distribution service such as Steam (which I added to the references, but you removed it with your latest revert...), it just lists the language as English, nothing else, there is no American English there, much less Canadian English. Question: where did you get these languages, since I can not find them anywhere? Can you please point out one of the external IDs for video games where they may be listed and if possible add them to the references to confirm the statements you've introduced? Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 22:10, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will grant you that rollback should not have been used on the first edit. I erroneously thought that you were a vandal just removing a bunch of correct statements.

Look at these two revs and please tell me which identifiers (I'm assuming that's what you mean by aliases) are missing:

• https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q127328619&oldid=2202536881
• https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q127328619&oldid=2202533771

Your claim that "video games don't use follows/followed by" is not supported by your link: it merely says to use them with "part of series", which I did. It is also fine to use "all rights reserved" as it's true. I don't see why you think any of those true statements are issues or any of the other true statements that you saw fit to remove. If you really want me to find some Canadian website that says "NBA 2K25", then I can do that. Of course, the colloquial proof is just "talk to anyone in Canada and ask him what he calls this thing" or "go to GameStop in Toronto and buy a copy of the game", so I would hope that common sense would prevail here.

Now, as for you, I don't know why you think it's appropriate to change the URI or remove the title or add aliases then immediately remove them in this bizarre flurry of edits. Again, I appreciate that rollback was not the correct tool to use here, so I apologize, but when I see behavior like that, it seems very suspicious and on first glance, it looks like someone who doesn't understand how the site functions and is arbitrarily removing things. I realize that you are not doing that now, so forgive me for my haste.

How is this item any better off for your edits? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

> Look at these two revs and please tell me which identifiers (I'm assuming that's what you mean by aliases) are missing

No, aliases are "also known as" columns (example). Specifically missing "2K25" and "2K 25", which you removed with a rollback edit.

> Your claim that "video games don't use follows/followed by" is not supported by your link: it merely says to use them with "part of series", which I did.

Yes, you use them with part of the series (P179), but you also use follows (P155) / followed by (P156) as main statements (see [3], [4]), which is not correct. You should remove these statements and use only follows (P155) / followed by (P156) (qualifiers) with part of the series (P179) (main property).

> It is also fine to use "all rights reserved" as it's true

Again, for software items, I don't think this is something that should be used. Especially for video games, this is the first time I've ever seen such a scenario (see also this query), so I wouldn't say that's a correct statement here.

> I don't see why you think any of those true statements are issues or any of the other true statements that you saw fit to remove

Your introduced statements are really problematic because that's not how video game items are actually modeled.

• Using follows (P155) / followed by (P156) as main statements ([5], [6]) is not correct.
• Using all rights reserved (Q1752207) for video games is also misleading. This is completely new to me that someone is using this kind of license for software-related items at all.
• Indicating as many as 3 dialects for English only in the title (P1476) property is extremely redundant. Only English should be used, and its dialects would be ideal for use in labels, but certainly not in the P1476 property.

As you can see from the above, I wouldn't really say that "this is correct".

> If you really want me to find some Canadian website that says "NBA 2K25", then I can do that. Of course, the colloquial proof is just "talk to anyone in Canada and ask him what he calls this thing" or "go to GameStop in Toronto and buy a copy of the game", so I would hope that common sense would prevail here

No, you must misunderstand what I meant. I didn't ask you to confirm the title, I asked you to find one of the external IDs we use for video games that states (that's what I mean) that this game uses American English, since you indicated it. If you don't have such references, then please only use one language for the title and it should be English. So far I have found that English is used without any specifics (see that screenshot from Steam). By the way, I'll note again that dialects are obviously redundant here and I don't understand why you think "this is correct" when I've already pointed out what's wrong here.

> Now, as for you, I don't know why you think it's appropriate to change the URI or remove the title or add aliases then immediately remove them in this bizarre flurry of edits.

I didn't delete the aliases I added, the tool I used to do this very often fails and doesn't let me make changes correctly, so it's not a bizarre flurry of edits but rather flaws in the tool itself. Then, the URL was changed because English is used without any kind of specificity, if it was American English it would have been obvious as in this case, so my edit is completely valid and I don't see any reason for you to revert it with a rollback.

> ...but when I see behavior like that, it seems very suspicious and on first glance, it looks like someone who doesn't understand how the site functions and is arbitrarily removing things

First of all, I understand perfectly well how the functions of the site and here are more questions to you and not to me, because you have performed a revert of my edits using a rollback, and you still haven't corrected your changes. Secondly, there is nothing suspicious here, as I tried to make this item conform to the way video game items are modeled. What is really suspicious here is the way the rollback function was used, which is simply not acceptable here. Your rollback caused some things to be lost, like aliases (not yet restored) and one of the identifiers, which you then noticed and restored, thank you for that. This function, if anything, should never be used to undo edits you don't agree with. I see that you apologized for this, thank you, apology accepted, but please be extremely careful next time.

> How is this item any better off for your edits?

Well, first of all, before your problematic statements, this item was already pretty well organized and in line with the way we model video game items. It has all of the core properties as well as almost all of the main properties and others that may be required for video games. So, for instance, there is part of the series (P179) with no use of follows (P155) / followed by (P156) as main statements (correct version), which wasn't in your edits that I corrected but you revert it. There is publication date (P577) and most importantly a reference to the reliable source Game Informer (Q27197), which confirms the release date of the product. There is also a website (correct version) that uses English and not American English taken from nowhere. If it was American English as in your edits, it should have been stated at least "en-us" as here. I also added language of work or name (P407) >> English (Q1860) (correct variant), which I confirmed in this edit, but you revert it for some unknown reason and still haven't restored it. As for the external identifiers, before your merge there were 6 of them, 1 of which at least suggests notability and the other 5 (neutral) which help to get additional useful information.

Secondly, already after your merge, I tried to correct your statements, which as I said above, I find quite problematic, since we don't model video game items in this way. Both of my changes have been reverted: 1st (with rollback applied) and 2nd. As I noted before: the updated changes and other fixes here are correct, and there is no reason to revert them.

In the third place, despite the unreasonable reverting of my edits, I decided to move on and added a few dozen useful external video game identifiers. If you plan to revert this edit as well (this edit is completely correct), it would be very strange, as there is nothing here that could be a reason to revert it, although considering the fact that you have already reverted my correct changes before, I don't know what to think. By the way, this edit has been reversed in a way as sourced statements were removed, and they have not been restored yet. Do you plan to restore them?

I think I have fully outlined the improvements made and now I would like to address the same question to you. What have you done to improve this item, apart from reverting correct edits? Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 04:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

re: removed aliases: I figured out what you meant by expanding the languages. Had you mentioned it was for ru, that would have made it more clear.

"which is not correct"

How is it "not correct"? Where are you getting this?

"for software items, I don't think this is something that should be used"

Because...? It seems like you are saying "since something is not the case, therefore, it shouldn't be the case" which is a logical fallacy of the is–ought problem.

re: title (P1476), I do think this is a compelling point and have removed other titles so that only the original title in the original language is there.

this game uses American English

Yes, it has (will have) sound recordings of individuals who speak American English. If you listen to dialogue in this video game, it will be in American English.

I don't see any reason for you to revert it with a rollback.

Please stop writing this repeatedly. I'm not relitigating this indefinitely.

There is also a website (correct version) that uses English and not American English

The URI you input is not correct, as you will see if you actually put it in a browser and see that "https://nba.2k.com/2k25" redirects to "https://nba.2k.com/2k25/" which is what I put. Again, how is that an improvement? As for American English not being correct, what do you mean? Are you referring just to the HTML of the page? Or what is actually present on the page? What is present on the page is written in American English and that site uses American-style dates and American spellings, correct?

By the way, this edit has been reversed in a way as sourced statements were removed, and they have not been restored yet

The citation for the title is still there. What are you talking about???

What have you done to improve this item, apart from reverting correct edits?

Added accurate information.

—Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

> How is it "not correct"? Where are you getting this?

Didn't I already provided a link to data model where examples are given? Do you see The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Q213911) using follows (P155) / followed by (P156) for example in the statements? I personally don't (Q213911#P155, Q213911#P156). Also have you looked at this query? In brief:

The way P155 / P156 for video games should be used:

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Q213911)

part of the series	The Legend of Zelda edit follows The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening followed by The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 0 references add reference
		add value

How P155 / P156 for video games should not be used:

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Q213911)

follows	The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (Q1060323) edit 0 references add reference
		add value

followed by	The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask edit 0 references add reference
		add value

> Because...? It seems like you are saying "since something is not the case, therefore, it shouldn't be the case" which is a logical fallacy of the is–ought problem.

It should not be used because as I noted above it is a misleading license that I have never seen used for software-related items, much less for video games, so please refrain from using it. Judging by this query all rights reserved (Q1752207) is used in only one item and as you can see this item is NBA 2K25 (Q127328619) which we are discussing here.

> Yes, it has (will have) sound recordings of individuals who speak American English. If you listen to dialogue in this video game, it will be in American English.

I understand that, but as you can see from the first screenshot the language in the source is neutral, i.e. just English. If different dialects were listed it would be prominent, as in the case of Chinese. For instance, the source does specify Simplified Chinese (Q13414913), Traditional Chinese (Q18130932) and not Chinese.

> What is present on the page is written in American English and that site uses American-style dates and American spellings, correct?

That's correct. Previously I was redirected to a completely different language version for some reason, maybe the website has been updated and now it redirects to the right destination, I don't know. In any case, the issue is now resolved.

> The citation for the title is still there. What are you talking about???

Are you sure? Take a close look at the third screenshot once again. I still don't see the language of work or name (P407) >> English (Q1860) statement with the corresponding source (Steam application ID (P1733)) that I added in this edit. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 04:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How P155 / P156 for video games should not be used

Where does anything say to not do this? Is this you making up stuff?

it is a misleading license

How is it misleading? What will you be lead to believe that is not true?

I understand that [re

American English]

Then you agree that it is in American English.

Are you sure?

Yes, I am. Please read what I wrote: The citation for the title is still there. If you want to re-add that Steam citation, go for it. I'm disinclined to use stores as sources, but it's not actually forbidden.

It seems like you completely ignored my argument from before which is "this is how things are, therefore, that is how things should be" is not valid reasoning. You haven't actually addressed the fact that what I wrote is actually true and you want to remove it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

> Where does anything say to not do this? Is this you making up stuff?

I have cited the data model twice three times already. This is the last time I will answer this question. No, I'm not making anything up. In the context of video games, using P155 / P156 as main statements is semantically incorrect. You may occasionally see someone use them as main statements because, for example, the video game series item itself is missing from Wikidata, but even in that case the video game series item should be created and it is necessary to make sure that P155 / P156 are used as qualifiers for part of the series (P179) and the main statements are removed. In your case you are using a twofold option for some reason: you are using part of the series (P179) with P155 / P156 as qualifiers (which is correct), but you are also using P155 / P156 in the main statements. Why you use both is a good question.

By the way, since you started talking about "making up stuff" here, I think it's your turn to enlighten me. From the very beginning of the discussion with you here, I've been doing exactly this: providing valid and neatly formatted links; providing screenshots that clearly point to the issues; providing various useful diffs; providing links to help pages; providing links to valid modeling schemes, but unfortunately, I don't see any of that from you so far. For example, zero references to where in the data model you see the use of P155/P156 in the main statements. You asked me several times to provide supporting references and I gave them to you. Now it's your turn or I may also think that you are making stuff up and I wonder what VG project guidelines you are following.

> How is it misleading? What will you be lead to believe that is not true?

I am also giving my last answer to the license related question since this is the 3rd or 4th time I have already answered it. This is misleading and not true because for video games (specifically for video games, see this query) whose rights are fully or almost fully protected is used proprietary license (Q3238057) item. Please kindly replace all rights reserved (Q1752207) item you added with proprietary license (Q3238057). I hope I have addressed and the issue has been resolved.

> Then you agree that it is in American English.

What do you mean? No, I said I understand your statement, understanding and agreeing are different things. Your statement is not supported by the source, and you have for some reason repeatedly ignored this point, so once again, please provide one of the external video game identifiers confirming the use of this dialect (the language, not the title, don't confuse it like last time please) as it is specified for Chinese, otherwise I will assume that you have no confirmation for this statement and will have to replace it with a neutral item, i.e. with English (Q1860).

> Yes, I am. Please read what I wrote: The citation for the title is still there. If you want to re-add that Steam citation, go for it. I'm disinclined to use stores as sources, but it's not actually forbidden.

Well, I have added this statement once before, only last time you reverted it. It took me some valuable time to add it. I would kindly ask you to restore what has been removed. Especially this is sourced content and it must not just be simply removed from Wikidata.

> "this is how things are, therefore, that is how things should be" is not valid reasoning.

Isn't valid reasoning? So do I understand correctly that you mean to say that you are willing to go against all the modeling schemes that we have in VG wiki project on Wikidata and add your personal statements that you supposedly think are correct? Just to give you an example.

In March 2024 the VG project made a modeling decision to switch from using genre (P136) >> indie game (Q2762504) to has characteristic (P1552) >> indie game (Q2762504). If you now went against modeling and added a genre (P136) >> indie game (Q2762504) instead this would have been corrected by anyone in the VG project. In our case the same thing happened here and I corrected your statements but they were reverted by you and still some not corrected. On this basis, the participants of the VG project (which I am a member too) will have corresponding questions to you and may consider your edits problematic because:

1. you go against the modeling schemes
2. you add your personal statements, which may seem correct to you, but in the context of video game items they are semantically incorrect, in other words, some of the items you introduce should not be there and I have already given some good arguments why, but you disregard them.

I personally don't understand why you feel the need to go against modeling.

> You haven't actually addressed the fact that what I wrote is actually true and you want to remove it.

By true, do you mean license? If yes, see my already 4 answers above (especially the last one). If you mean P155/P156 which are used in the main statements and you think this is also correct, then see also my 5 answers on this topic above. And if you mean the language, then we haven't come to anything yet, because there is no confirmation on this statement. Btw, as I mentioned above this was the last time I responded regarding the license and P155/P156 properties. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 05:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have cited the data model

Yes and the data model does not say to not do this. That was the question I asked you. Does it say to not do that? No, it does not.

I am also giving my last answer to the license related question since this is the 3rd or 4th time I have already answered it.

I did not ask you how it is misleading three or four times. Please do not make up stuff.

whose rights are fully or almost fully protected is used proprietary license (Q3238057) item

A proprietary license is not the same thing as reserving all rights.

Your statement is not supported by the source

Yes it is by your admission: the source is to listen to the dialogue and the dialogue is in American English. That is the source. The primary source itself confirms it (or will confirm it upon release, if you somehow think they got South Africans and New Zealanders to record all of the NBA players' dialogue).

the language, not the title, don't confuse it like last time please

I didn't confuse it. I asked about something separate. If anything, it seems like you confused them.

I would kindly ask you to restore what has been removed

Sure.

you go against the modeling schemes

AGAIN: NO I DON'T. Doing something that is not covered by it is not "going against it". The example you gave would be directly contradicting it. Nothing I did contradicts it. This point seems lost on you.

in the context of video game items they are semantically incorrect, in other words, some of the items you introduce should not be there

Again, you keep on confusing what is with what should be. Your entire justification is "this is not how things are, therefore, this is not how they should be" which is fallacious. I am not making any claims about how things are but how they should be. Semantics is about meaning and there is nothing semantically incorrect (i.e. not meaningful or meaning something that is not correct) about what I wrote.

By true, do you mean license?

By "true" I mean: The statements that I added are accurate statements and you removed them. I'm not sure how else I can reword "true".

—Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

> Yes and the data model does not say to not do this. That was the question I asked you. Does it say to not do that? No, it does not.

When you open the data model and you see specific examples where you are instructed to use P155/P156 as qualifiers for part of the series (P179), the implication is that you should not use these properties in some other way. That's why you won't find a hint, because the data model is edited in such a way that it contains exactly all of those statements and properties that must be used. That's why it's called a data model. I assure you that sooner or later any other VG project participant will come along (and they absolutely have the right to do so) and do exactly what I did. That is, someone will correct your edits according to the modeling scheme used and only part of the series (P179) property will be retained using P155 / P156 as qualifiers. Question: please tell me, if such 5 participants come and you will also as in my case revert their edits even if they are absolutely correct? Why do you consider such behavior acceptable?

Anyways, even if you don't find a hint that you can't do something, it doesn't mean that you should:

1. Use, as I said, the two-fold option. You have not answered the question why you use the two-way variant. You also completely ignored my comment about what VG project guidelines you follow, since you have been asserting that it is correct to use P155/P156 in the main statements from the very beginning. I'm still waiting for the links that you have never instilled from the beginning of the discussion here.
2. Think that if the data model doesn't say you can't do something, then you can add any personal statement. This is not an argument.
3. Revert correct edits by other participants. As I've said before above, your edits go against the way we in the VG project model video game items. That time I tried to correct your edits and they were instantly reverted without any conversation, even a rollback was used. I'm not sure why you think this behavior is right, when I spend my free time to make sure that every video game item is accurately formatted and conforms to the approved modeling.

And yes, before you say again "then you agree that...". No I don't agree with you in any way, please don't attribute to me what I don't say. There has to be a valid argument for that, not if the data model doesn't say it's not allowed, one can add any statements they wish to add. It doesn't work that way.

> I did not ask you how it is misleading three or four times. Please do not make up stuff.

Again, please stop attributing things to me that I did not say. My response was "giving my last answer to the license related question since this is the 3rd or 4th time I have already answered it", and NOT "giving my last answer to a question about why license is misleading since this is the 3rd or 4th time I have already answered it". The answer was referring to all license related questions/comments, not only about misleading part.

> A proprietary license is not the same thing as reserving all rights.

And what is that supposed to mean? It doesn't change the fact that exactly proprietary license (Q3238057) is used for the software-related items whose rights are reserved. Your personally added problematic item all rights reserved (Q1752207) does not appear anywhere for these items other than NBA 2K25 (Q127328619). Once again, I ask you to refrain from using it for video game items.

> Yes it is by your admission

What "admission" are you talking about? In my response I said "I understand that, but...", not agree with your statement.

> the source is to listen to the dialogue and the dialogue is in American English. That is the source. The primary source itself confirms it

Since when is listening to dialog even a Wikidata source? You can't require non-English speakers, including me (and even native English speakers), to listen to the game's dialog and guess what dialect is being used. No, the source is not listening to the dialog. We are on Wikidata, and on Wikidata there is such a thing as properties. Properties can be of different data types including external identifiers. So what is required here is an external identifier property (preferably video game related) as a source that supports your claim that the game uses American English, that's all that is required. I assume you do not have one, okay, then you should have been honest about that. We already have English (Q1860) and it's just the perfect neutral item to replace the unconfirmed dialect here.

> Sure. See here, where I not only re-added it, I also added several things you neglected to include.

Perhaps audio content (Q108676767) should be replaced by voice acting (Q22920017), but that is just a preference, the first item does not cause any issues for me. But I would still replace Peninsular Spanish (Q7162990) with Spanish (Q1321). Everything else is fine.

> AGAIN: NO I DON'T. Doing something that is not covered by it is not "going against it". The example you gave would be directly contradicting it. Nothing I did contradicts it. This point seems lost on you.

As I noted here above, the fact that you are not going against the scheme is a strong statement. Do you really think that the argument "if not covered by the schema, you can add any personal statements you want" is valid? Okay, you don't want to follow the modeling scheme for whatever reason and that's very, very odd, okay, but still, I'm asking you again to provide me links that I've seen here exactly zero times where you are somehow recommended to use P155/P156 in the main statements (for video games).

> Your entire justification is "this is not how things are, therefore, this is not how they should be" which is fallacious. I am not making any claims about how things are but how they should be. Semantics is about meaning and there is nothing semantically incorrect (i.e. not meaningful or meaning something that is not correct) about what I wrote.

Why do you think this is wrong? What's wrong with me wanting video game items to conform to our modeling schemes? Why are you preventing that? Are you saying that I should just add to Wikidata items statements/identifiers that I want even if they are clearly inappropriate or controversial? For example, let's take NBA 2K13 (Q2680871) and add followed by (P156) >> NBA 2K14 (Q13715618) instead of part of the series (P179) >> NBA 2K (Q512849) >> followed by (P156) >> NBA 2K14 (Q13715618). Or I would add something like country (P17) >> United States of America (Q30) instead of country of origin (P495) >> United States of America (Q30). Is that what you're saying? On that principle, all video game items would just turn into a complete mess! Why would I do that? Why would I complicate the life of the VG project of which I am also a part? I don't want to and I won't do that. My goal is to help this project, not to complicate its life.

In your turn, your entire justification is that "if the data model doesn't say/not hint at what can't be used, therefore you can add any statement you feel like, even if it might be wrong", and that's just wrong.

> By "true" I mean: The statements that I added are accurate statements and you removed them. I'm not sure how else I can reword "true".

What? What are you talking about right now? I haven't touched this item since July 12th. All the changes you made were left after your unjustified reverting of my edits. I don't see any of my edits since July 12th. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the data model is edited in such a way that it contains exactly all of those statements and properties that must be used.

And, again, for the 598th time, what must be done is not the same thing as what must not be done. We're talking in circles at this point. The actual answer to my question is "No" because it does not say to not do the things I did. I will actually answer the question that you asked: no.

You have not answered the question why you use the two-way variant.

I did a Ctrl+F and didn't find any prior instances of "two-way", so I don't know what you're talking about. I make it a point to answer questions, so please quote which question you claim I ignored.

if the data model doesn't say you can't do something, then you can add any personal statement. That is not an argument.

Okay, I never made that argument. Please stop wasting my time.

your edits go against the way we in the VG project model video game items

No it doesn't, as I've already explained. It includes everything that is required and does not include anything that is forbidden. It in no way "goes against" anything.

even a rollback was used. I'm not sure why you think this behavior is right

I sincerely cannot believe that you won't drop it. I apologized repeatedly, acknowledged it was inappropriate, asked you to please stop talking about it, and here you are still going on and on about it. I am begging you to stop wasting my time.

if the data model doesn't say it's not allowed, one can add any statements they wish to add

Again, I never asserted that. Shocking how quickly you forget, "please don't attribute to me what I don't say". Please quote where I wrote that you can add any statement that you wish as long as it's not expressly prohibited. You have now claimed this two times and it's not true. Stop wasting my time.

And what is that supposed to mean?

It means that you can have a proprietary license that does not reserve all rights.

It doesn't change the fact that exactly proprietary license (Q3238057) is used for the software-related items whose rights are reserved.

Which is not the same thing as all rights reserved.

Your personally added problematic item all rights reserved (Q1752207) does not appear anywhere for these items other than NBA 2K25 (Q127328619).

I don't know why you write things that aren't true. Please stop wasting my time.

You can't require non-English speakers, including me (and even native English speakers), to listen to the game's dialog and guess what dialect is being used.

I also can't require anyone to be literate in English and therefore they can read any particular web page, can I?

I would still replace Peninsular Spanish (Q7162990) with Spanish (Q1321).

In spite of the fact that the source explicitly says that it's Peninsular Spanish? Why would you do that?

Do you really think that the argument "if not covered by the schema, you can add any personal statements you want" is valid?

No, and I never wrote that. Stop wasting my time.

As for the rest of your questions, read what I wrote. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources: prefix, as of now, links nowhere, so I removed it. My question is how do you add mulws? Usually it's linked to as s:mul: but as mul's not a language code wikidata doesn't recognize it, or as oldwikisource:, but I haven't managed to add it to the "multilingual" section. Do you know how we're supposed to link to it? Thanks, — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 14:44, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per your comments here, I'm reverting: the link does work. I added the link by typing "mul" and then it appeared. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understood why it hadn't worked for me: I'd clicked on the link the first time from my watchlist on enws, and since that prefix does not mean anything there it'd sent me to Sources: here, which doesn't exist. Thanks for the help! — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 15:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries: we all learned something new today. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]