Property talk:P106
Documentation
occupation of a person; see also "field of work" (Property:P101), "position held" (Property:P39)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#Value type Q12737077, Q28640, Q17305127, Q192581, Q47472256, Q480319, Q4164871, Q115580828, Q63188808, Q63188683, Q21451536, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#Conflicts with P31, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: model (Q4610556) (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
if [item A] has this property (occupation (P106)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#Contemporary, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#Item P31, search, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL
Replacement property: character type (P9071)
Replacement values: (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: sculptor (Q1281618) (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property: subject has role (P2868)
Replacement values: (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property: significant event (P793)
Replacement values: (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property: religion or worldview (P140)
Replacement values: (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: detective (Q842782) (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: writer (Q36180) (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: soldier (Q4991371) (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: law enforcement officer (Q6503343) (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property: social classification (P3716)
Replacement values: (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property: social classification (P3716)
Replacement values: (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: rapist (Q22962951), serial rapist (Q26267537), sex offender (Q5659979) (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: sport shooter (Q17486376) (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: TikToker (Q94791573) (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: YouTuber (Q17125263) (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property: position held (P39)
Replacement values: (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: diplomat (Q193391) (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
Replacement property: subject has role (P2868)
Replacement values: (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#none of, SPARQL
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Value actress (Q21169216) will be automatically replaced to value actor (Q33999). Testing: TODO list |
Value pornographic actress (Q66382950) will be automatically replaced to value pornographic actor (Q488111). Testing: TODO list |
Value male prostitute (Q122751088) will be automatically replaced to value prostitute (Q14915751). Testing: TODO list |
Value female prostitute (Q2005620) will be automatically replaced to value prostitute (Q14915751). Testing: TODO list |
Value Sculptor (Q9286) will be automatically replaced to value sculptor (Q1281618). Testing: TODO list |
Value music (Q638) will be automatically replaced to value musician (Q639669). Testing: TODO list |
Value Artist (Q99656622) will be automatically replaced to value artist (Q483501). Testing: TODO list |
Value research (Q42240) will be automatically replaced to value researcher (Q1650915). Testing: TODO list |
Value cantatrice (Q2936570) will be automatically replaced to value opera singer (Q2865819). Testing: TODO list |
Value clergy (Q177826) will be automatically replaced to value cleric (Q2259532). Testing: TODO list |
Value Catholic vocation (Q63188808) will be automatically replaced to value catholic religious (Q124537080). Testing: TODO list |
Value general (Q83460) will be automatically replaced to value general (Q83460) and moved to military or police rank (P410) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value lieutenant colonel (Q493898) will be automatically replaced to value lieutenant colonel (Q493898) and moved to military or police rank (P410) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value lieutenant (Q186024) will be automatically replaced to value lieutenant (Q186024) and moved to military or police rank (P410) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value commanding officer (Q11247470) will be automatically replaced to value commanding officer (Q11247470) and moved to military or police rank (P410) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value soprano (Q30903) will be automatically replaced to value soprano (Q30903) and moved to voice type (P412) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value tenor (Q27914) will be automatically replaced to value tenor (Q27914) and moved to voice type (P412) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value baritone (Q31687) will be automatically replaced to value baritone (Q31687) and moved to voice type (P412) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value bass (Q27911) will be automatically replaced to value bass (Q27911) and moved to voice type (P412) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value mezzo-soprano (Q186506) will be automatically replaced to value mezzo-soprano (Q186506) and moved to voice type (P412) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value contralto (Q37137) will be automatically replaced to value contralto (Q37137) and moved to voice type (P412) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value bass-baritone (Q810480) will be automatically replaced to value bass-baritone (Q810480) and moved to voice type (P412) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value freemason (Q23305046) will be automatically replaced to value freemasonry (Q41726) and moved to member of (P463) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Bollandist (Q12899034) will be automatically replaced to value Société des Bollandistes (Q670974) and moved to member of (P463) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Jesuit (Q12319698) will be automatically replaced to value Society of Jesus (Q36380) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value dominican friar (Q63253698) will be automatically replaced to value Dominican Order (Q131479) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Member of Order of the Pious Schools (Q63183273) will be automatically replaced to value Order of Poor Clerks Regular of the Mother of God of the Pious Schools (Q273894) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value benedictine monk (Q97771938) will be automatically replaced to value Benedictines (Q131132) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value friar minor (Q64030843) will be automatically replaced to value Order of Friars Minor (Q913972) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value friar minor capuchin (Q90521808) will be automatically replaced to value Order of Friars Minor Capuchin (Q124862) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value cistercian monk (Q98603258) will be automatically replaced to value Cistercians (Q166861) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Franciscan friar (Q90879952) will be automatically replaced to value Franciscans (Q165005) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value discalced carmelite friar (Q95721423) will be automatically replaced to value Order of the Brothers Discalced of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Mount Carmel (Q1135659) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value discalced carmelite nun (Q109668227) will be automatically replaced to value Order of Discalced Nuns of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Mount Carmel (Q646962) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value carthusian monk (Q97781197) will be automatically replaced to value Carthusian Order (Q220979) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value hieronymite monk (Q98645680) will be automatically replaced to value Order of Saint Jerome (Q1474312) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Calced Carmelite Friar (Q90878511) will be automatically replaced to value Carmelites (Q186277) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value trinitarian friar (Q99693672) will be automatically replaced to value Trinitarian Order (Q917518) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Trappist Cistercian monk (Q99521081) will be automatically replaced to value Order of Cistercians of the Strict Observance (Q276223) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value friar minor conventual (Q90482618) will be automatically replaced to value Conventual Franciscans (Q692799) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value barnabite priest (Q89550146) will be automatically replaced to value Barnabites (Q620456) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value augustinian friar (Q95993813) will be automatically replaced to value Augustinians (Q29075) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value salesian (Q107228253) will be automatically replaced to value Salesians of Don Bosco (Q223659) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Franciscan tertiary (Q95993207) will be automatically replaced to value Third Order of Saint Francis (Q9295862) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value knight of the Teutonic Order (Q96651577) will be automatically replaced to value Teutonic Order (Q48189) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Knight Hospitaller (Q2963013) will be automatically replaced to value Knights Hospitaller (Q187549) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Knight of the Order of the Temple (Q22677266) will be automatically replaced to value Knights Templars (Q41300) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value cleric regular theatine (Q89346452) will be automatically replaced to value Theatines (Q1414924) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value mercedarian friar (Q87203838) will be automatically replaced to value Order of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Mercy (Q770186) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value somaschi father (Q89347370) will be automatically replaced to value Somaschi Fathers (Q1568671) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value cluniac monk (Q99527616) will be automatically replaced to value Order of Cluny (Q1529391) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value benedictine nun (Q97772204) will be automatically replaced to value Nuns of the order of Saint Benedict (Q1411705) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value carmelite nun (Q109669834) will be automatically replaced to value Moniales Ordinis Carmelitarum (Q1136310) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value camillian (Q89554543) will be automatically replaced to value Clerics Regular of the Ministers of the Sick (Q915029) and moved to religious order (P611) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value cardinal (Q45722) will be automatically replaced to value cardinal (Q45722) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value abbot (Q103163) will be automatically replaced to value abbot (Q103163) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value emeritus (Q211830) will be automatically replaced to value emeritus (Q211830) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value full professor (Q25339110) will be automatically replaced to value full professor (Q25339110) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value associate professor (Q9344260) will be automatically replaced to value associate professor (Q9344260) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value professor emeritus (Q1240569) will be automatically replaced to value professor emeritus (Q1240569) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value stadtholder (Q325380) will be automatically replaced to value stadtholder (Q325380) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value president (Q1255921) will be automatically replaced to value president (Q1255921) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value superior general (Q1337239) will be automatically replaced to value superior general (Q1337239) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value provincial superior (Q1975161) will be automatically replaced to value provincial superior (Q1975161) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value museum director (Q22132694) will be automatically replaced to value museum director (Q22132694) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value library director (Q63970319) will be automatically replaced to value library director (Q63970319) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Geheimrat (Q11165895) will be automatically replaced to value Geheimrat (Q11165895) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value member of parliament (Q486839) will be automatically replaced to value member of parliament (Q486839) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Magistrate of the nobles (Q1299733) will be automatically replaced to value Magistrate of the nobles (Q1299733) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value chief magistrate (Q123023456) will be automatically replaced to value chief magistrate (Q123023456) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value senator (Q15686806) will be automatically replaced to value senator (Q15686806) and moved to position held (P39) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value human biblical figure (Q20643955) will be automatically replaced to value human biblical figure (Q20643955) and moved to instance of (P31) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Prince-Bishop (Q22881) will be automatically replaced to value Prince-Bishop (Q22881) and moved to noble title (P97) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value saint (Q43115) will be automatically replaced to value saint (Q43115) and moved to canonization status (P411) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Catholic saint (Q3464126) will be automatically replaced to value Catholic saint (Q3464126) and moved to canonization status (P411) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Holocaust victim (Q5883980) will be automatically replaced to value Holocaust victim (Q5883980) and moved to subject has role (P2868) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value martyr (Q6498826) will be automatically replaced to value martyr (Q6498826) and moved to subject has role (P2868) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value Christian martyr (Q107013) will be automatically replaced to value Christian martyr (Q107013) and moved to subject has role (P2868) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value noble (Q16744001) will be automatically replaced to value noble (Q16744001) and moved to social classification (P3716) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value nobility (Q134737) will be automatically replaced to value noble (Q16744001) and moved to social classification (P3716) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value slave owner (Q10076267) will be automatically replaced to value slave owner (Q10076267) and moved to social classification (P3716) property. Testing: TODO list |
Value prisoner of war (Q179637) will be automatically replaced to value prisoner of war (Q179637) and moved to military casualty classification (P1347) property. Testing: TODO list |
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Violations query:
SELECT ?item WHERE { VALUES ?awards { wd:Q1540553 wd:Q2111269 wd:Q4671429 wd:Q20002163 wd:Q1377755 wd:Q1390226 wd:Q16157289 wd:Q4806631 wd:Q18907804 wd:Q28836246 wd:Q5942229 wd:Q12808473 wd:Q28861585 wd:Q696972 wd:Q3404979 wd:Q1387050 wd:Q5280710 wd:Q5280671 wd:Q775028 }. ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q5. ?item wdt:P166 ?awards. FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item wdt:P106 wd:Q2526255. }. } ORDER BY ?item
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P106#Human having received a prize for the directors but not having a statement occupation (P106) director
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Violations query:
SELECT ?item WHERE { VALUES ?awards { wd:Q281939 wd:Q609977 wd:Q28836661 wd:Q16662070 }. ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q5. ?item wdt:P166 ?awards. FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item wdt:P106 wd:Q7042855. }. } ORDER BY ?item
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P106#Human having received a prize for the film editor but not having a statement occupation (P106) film editor
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Violations query:
SELECT ?item ?occupation WHERE { ?item wdt:P106 ?occupation. ?occupation wdt:P31 wd:Q4167410. }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P106#Link to a Wikimedia disambiguation page
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Violations query:
SELECT ?item { ?item p:P106 ?statement. ?statement ps:P106 ?occupation. ?statement pq:P2047 ?duree. FILTER (?duree > 100). ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q5. }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P106#Too long time
This property is being used by:
Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.) |
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Archived creation discussion
editOccupation / Tätigkeit / Profession
editas "Exploration" as it would for the English Wikipedia (explorer redirects to exploration). A multi-language string is probably a better choice. Espeso (talk) 18:47, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed. -- Ypnypn (talk) 15:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed, he property is very important. It should be an item, as proposed. --NaBUru38 (talk) 21:24, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Note: see also Property:P101 (field of work). SPQRobin (talk) 23:07, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Done --ThorstenX1 (talk) 11:20, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Create items?
editIt's necessary to create item for all the occupation? --ValterVB (talk) 21:28, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
- I think yes. I've started a list here: Wikidata talk:Notability#Occupation. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:20, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Professional sports people
editIf we use this property for professional sports people, we need items for every sport (e.g. football player, volleyball player), but Wikipedia usually has articles for the sports only. The alternative would be to link to the sport, e.g. Occupation: volleyball. How should we solve this problem? --MSchnitzler2000 (talk) 01:18, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- See thread above. --Kolja21 (talk) 03:16, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- The thread above doesn't answer my question. If we create e.g. an item "volleyball player", we don't have Wikipedia articles which we could add to this item because at least in the big Wikipedias en, de, fr, it and es, there is no such article. They only have articles for "volleyball", but not for "volleyball player". --MSchnitzler2000 (talk) 12:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I was also thinking this. There is articles about for "tennis", but not for "tennis player", so we have little problem. Maybe we should make a different property for sports people. --Stryn (talk) 12:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- The problem isn't only for Sport people but for all the occupation --ValterVB (talk) 12:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- @MSchnitzler2000: Nochmal auf Deutsch, um die Analogie klar zu machen. Wir haben die Einträge Bildhauerei und Skulptur, aber der Beruf Bildhauer fehlt. Sport ist also kein Sonderfall, sondern es handelt sich um ein generelles Problem. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- We often have categories for sports person, e.g. en:Category:Fencers. Could it be reasonable to add a category as the property profession? -- Köllner (talk) 16:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- you can use sportsperson, and add a qualifier with the concerned sport :) --Hsarrazin (talk) 20:52, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
- We often have categories for sports person, e.g. en:Category:Fencers. Could it be reasonable to add a category as the property profession? -- Köllner (talk) 16:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- @MSchnitzler2000: Nochmal auf Deutsch, um die Analogie klar zu machen. Wir haben die Einträge Bildhauerei und Skulptur, aber der Beruf Bildhauer fehlt. Sport ist also kein Sonderfall, sondern es handelt sich um ein generelles Problem. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- The problem isn't only for Sport people but for all the occupation --ValterVB (talk) 12:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I was also thinking this. There is articles about for "tennis", but not for "tennis player", so we have little problem. Maybe we should make a different property for sports people. --Stryn (talk) 12:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- The thread above doesn't answer my question. If we create e.g. an item "volleyball player", we don't have Wikipedia articles which we could add to this item because at least in the big Wikipedias en, de, fr, it and es, there is no such article. They only have articles for "volleyball", but not for "volleyball player". --MSchnitzler2000 (talk) 12:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Field of work as qualifier
editPlease, take a look at this discussion here --Viscontino (talk) 10:32, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
"Saint" and "Hermit" ?
editAre "Saint" and "Hermit" occupations, or are thoses "instances of" a person? Both are not professions. Saintity is a quality that is given, often posthumously. Hermit is a denominator for a self-chosen lifestyle. Longbow4u (talk) 09:09, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Journalist
editI tried to add journalist to Irene Villa but it was not able to work. --LauraHale (talk) 09:42, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Violations
editI don't understand how there can be 108k violations when the most frequent disallowed value has 300 occurrences. Maybe some of those items are marked as instances of something that is not subclass of anything? Also, what sense does it make that athlete (Q2066131) is subclass of occupation (Q13516667)? AFAIK that would mean Dejen Gebremeskel (Q1672) is an instance of occupation (Q13516667), obviously incorrect; yet it's what seems to be currently checked. --Nemo 09:11, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Constraint still valid?
editI noticed the following constraint above: "Type "person (Q215627)": element must contain property instance of (P31) with class person (Q215627) or its subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)) Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P106#Type Q215627"
Is this still true/valid? Description for Q215627 says: "being, e.g. a human, that has certain capacities or attributes constituting personhood (not for use with "instance of" [P31], instead use "human" [Q5])". So should that constraint rather check for human? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bthfan (talk • contribs).
- It is valid. human (Q5) is subclass of person (Q215627). — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 20:05, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- Doh! Somehow totally missed that... :) --Bthfan (talk) 20:21, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Masculine, feminine gender for slovenian language
editIs there any way that we also define femine gender for occupation. Slavic languages have different words for occupations performed by female or male. For example, for Adele there should be pevka and kantavtorica instead of pevec (d:Q177220) and kantavtor (d:Q488205)? There is possibility to put this into "Other names" section, but I don't like this because other names are like synonyms and there can be a lot of them. Our Infobox Person now looks unusual for women. --Pinky sl (talk) 15:05, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Some ideas: label pevec/pevka can be used for items. Infobox can replace it to more concrete term if sex or gender (P21) is specified. — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 19:19, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe a new (or already existing) monolingual string property. --- Jura 19:23, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
I prefer the second idea, because the first one needs additional work with strings, on the other hand it would be easirer to repair just labels for occupation and do some coding. --Pinky sl (talk) 09:30, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- I floated it on Wikidata:Property_proposal/Unsorted#Female_form_of_label_.28string.29. --- Jura 12:39, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
- the simplest system is to manage gender words by template on the concerned wikipedia. Doing it in all languages on wikidata is really too complicated. Besides, on wikipedia, there is less risk that somebody who does not know the language will accidentally break it ;) --Hsarrazin (talk) 20:50, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
- Let's see where it goes: Help:Female form of label.
--- Jura 10:55, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- Let's see where it goes: Help:Female form of label.
- the simplest system is to manage gender words by template on the concerned wikipedia. Doing it in all languages on wikidata is really too complicated. Besides, on wikipedia, there is less risk that somebody who does not know the language will accidentally break it ;) --Hsarrazin (talk) 20:50, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Occupation is the subjects dayjob
editOccupation is usually what someone has as a job, that is a regular activity performed for payment. This property is now used for any kind of activity a person has ever done, no matter if (s)he receives a payment for that activity or not. That is wrong, it should only be used to describe the persons job. Jeblad (talk) 14:26, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- @Jeblad:
- You are right: "occupation is usually what someone has as a job". However, the notion of payment is not a factor in defining occupations (see the definition below). occupation (P106) is conceptually quite different from position held (P39). A position held (P39) statement can only exist in relation to a specific employer. occupation (P106) doesn't. --Fjjulien (talk) 21:00, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Constraint on value type occupation (Q13516667) is much to broad, it should be work (Q268378). Jeblad (talk) 18:23, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Given the constraint on value type occupation (Q13516667) the property could contain such things as «eating», «sexual intercourse», «singing in the rain», … basically it does not make sense. Jeblad (talk) 18:41, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- If the data is structured, there should be clear definitions somewhere, maybe there are definitions somewhere. As english is not my native language I cannot say anything to this. (But Oxford advanced learner's dictionary in my bookshelf could say something).--Urjanhai (talk) 15:22, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Definition of occupation
edit- @Urjanhai:
- The International Standard Classification of Occupations-08 defines occupation thusly:
- Occupation refers to the kind of work performed in a job. The concept of occupation is defined as a “set of jobs whose main tasks and duties are characterized by a high degree of similarity”. A person may be associated with an occupation through the main job currently held, a second job, a future job or a job previously held.
- ISOC caracterizes and groups occupations by skill levels (which is defined in part by the level of formal education required) and by skill specialization.
- I agree with you, this kind of definition should be made readily available in order to help Wikidata users make the distinction between occupation (P106) and position held (P39).
Use of slave owner (Q20956728) as value
editThere is some discussion about it at Topic:Uik5nvr4t1ntj0dx.
--- Jura 00:46, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
- Hm, I don't think this is a suitable property for that. Rather, I would suggest using owner of (P1830)/owned by (P127) to link each of the slaveowner/slave items, and use a statement on the slave item to indicate that status (Joice Heth (Q4413239) uses social classification (P3716) enslaved person (Q12773225), which seems to fit), so that it could be queried as such. --Yair rand (talk) 07:50, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- That seems to address a different usecase. In general, I don't think they all have items or even known by name (to Wikidata/Wikipedia). --- Jura 21:28, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Keynote Speaker Occupation
editI need Keynote Speaker to qualify as an occupation. Dprophitjr (talk) 17:25, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Definition of fi:ammatti?
editHow come fi:Kirkkoherra is not an fi:ammatti (en:occupation)? @susannaanas:--Urjanhai (talk) 13:56, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Maybe I'll try "position held". It sounds like wikidata.--Urjanhai (talk) 15:27, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
But if "professori" (professor) is accepted as occupation /ammatti, why not kirkkoherra as well? Some researchers and teachers at the university are professors and some are not (and this may change trough time), just like some priests are "kirkkoherra" and some are not (and this may change rough time). I doubt that the original translation of "occupation" as "ammatti" from english to finnish must be somehow unclear.--Urjanhai (talk) 15:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
I changed the en:occupation / fi:ammatti into en:position held / fi:virka tai tehtävä for both kirkkohrerra and professori. But if there comes an error message for "kirkkoherra" why does it not come error message for "professori"? --Urjanhai (talk) 15:50, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
How to handle precision?
editHow to handle the precision of the given occupation? An interesting approach is this deprecation of an comparably imprecise occupation (actor) though deprecation isn't the right way here, rather preferred statements. Notably ULAN handles it the other way round: "Preferred types are more generic/uniform (e.g. the most populous type "artists (visual artists)" is usually preferred), while non-preferred types are more specific/granular (e.g. "batik artists", "collagists", etc)"[1] and often the broader terms might indeed be preferable in possible use cases of our data. Any ideas on this topic? (Pings appreciated) --Marsupium (talk) 23:47, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Hobbies?
editshould we use this property for hobbies? --Loominade (talk) 09:04, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Loominade: Even if this question was more than a year ago, I would still like to answer it. Another property can be used for hobbies. For example, with the data object Charlene, Princess of Monaco (Q208466) it is implemented as follows: Charlene, Princess of Monaco (Q208466)interested in (P2650)surfing (Q159992)
object of statement has role (P3831)hobby (Q47728) --Gymnicus (talk) 11:42, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
New template Generic queries for occupations
editI've designed a new template {{Generic queries for occupations}}
. The template is automatically included in {{Item documentation}}
for occupations. Feedback and contributions are welcome. PAC2 (talk) 07:34, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
fields as occupations
editAs User:Epìdosis pointed out on my talk page, many values are fields of occupations and not occupations. I expanded his query to count them:
- Properties used: occupation (P106) , practiced by (P3095)
SELECT ?field ?fieldLabel ?occupation ?occupationLabel (COUNT(?person) as ?count)
WHERE
{
?person wdt:P106 ?field .
?field wdt:P3095 ?occupation .
SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}
GROUP BY ?field ?fieldLabel ?occupation ?occupationLabel
Beyond a few oddities in the result, there seem to be two, maybe three types:
- 1. fields that only have one linked occupation
- 2. fields that have (or should have) several linked occupations
I'd add {{Autofix}}
for the first and "none-of" constraints for the second.
A third type could be values that are already added as occupations as well, these could probably be removed directly. Maybe in a one time run or a period bot run.
- Properties used: occupation (P106) , practiced by (P3095)
SELECT ?person ?personLabel ?field ?fieldLabel ?occupation ?occupationLabel
{
?person wdt:P106 ?field , ?occupation .
?field wdt:P3095 ?occupation .
}
Complex constraints could monitor #3. Maybe #1 and #2 are already found with regular ones.
@Epìdosis: hope that answers your question. --- Jura 12:00, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Jura1: Of course! Thanks very much, --Epìdosis 13:17, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Jura1: There is no objection so far: could you add the
{{Autofix}}
for the first case? --Epìdosis 12:52, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Jura1: There is no objection so far: could you add the
Bishop as occupation or position
editValue Jesuit (Q12319698) will be automatically replaced to value Society of Jesus (Q36380) and moved to religious order (P611) property
editWhy? Jesuit (Q12319698) is a valid occupation (P106) and should not be deleted without replacement. See https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q123244658&oldid=2000950655 Piecesofuk (talk) 19:34, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- Since I got no response here I posted a question at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Why_are_bots_allowed_to_delete_valid_referenced_statements? where I suggested that if there are no objections that I would remove the "autofix" tags where the value is a subclass of occupation (P106) Piecesofuk (talk) 06:59, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Piecesofuk:! In the example you show P106 wasn't removed without replacement, as you can see the same exact statement present in P106 has just been transferred (with its two references) to P611 with these edits by KrBot. I added this autofix, and all the other autofixes for Catholic religous occupations, in April 2022 according to the consensus obtained in this discussion ( Notified participants of WikiProject Religions; BTW, I always suggest to ping the pertinent WikiProject, on to write in the WikiProject talk page, so that all the interested users can easily note discussions in which they could be interested). As I wrote in that discussion, moving all occupations related to being a member of a certain Catholic order from occupation (P106) to the pertinent value of religious order (P611) has the main goal of avoiding that the same information is either divided between two properties or duplicated in two properties. Since we have to avoid both inconsistent modeling (i.e. having some items with occupation (P106)Jesuit (Q12319698) and some other items with religious order (P611)Society of Jesus (Q36380)) and redundant modeling (i.e. items having both occupation (P106)Jesuit (Q12319698) and religious order (P611)Society of Jesus (Q36380)), I think the autofixes of Catholic religious occupations from P106 to P611 are fundamental to keep our modeling coherent and I strongly oppose removing them. For more context about the issue of inconsistent modeling, you can see Wikidata:Events/Data Quality Days 2022/Modeling data (and the imminent Wikidata:Events/Data Modelling Days 2023). Of course if you disagree with my view we can discuss how to improve our modeling of religious occupations in a different way without both falling into inconsisntent modeling or redundant modeling; I think that such discussions are very much beneficial for our data quality. --Epìdosis 14:49, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. I thought it more appropriate to reply fully in the Project Chat rather than here. Piecesofuk (talk) 17:04, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Piecesofuk:! In the example you show P106 wasn't removed without replacement, as you can see the same exact statement present in P106 has just been transferred (with its two references) to P611 with these edits by KrBot. I added this autofix, and all the other autofixes for Catholic religous occupations, in April 2022 according to the consensus obtained in this discussion ( Notified participants of WikiProject Religions; BTW, I always suggest to ping the pertinent WikiProject, on to write in the WikiProject talk page, so that all the interested users can easily note discussions in which they could be interested). As I wrote in that discussion, moving all occupations related to being a member of a certain Catholic order from occupation (P106) to the pertinent value of religious order (P611) has the main goal of avoiding that the same information is either divided between two properties or duplicated in two properties. Since we have to avoid both inconsistent modeling (i.e. having some items with occupation (P106)Jesuit (Q12319698) and some other items with religious order (P611)Society of Jesus (Q36380)) and redundant modeling (i.e. items having both occupation (P106)Jesuit (Q12319698) and religious order (P611)Society of Jesus (Q36380)), I think the autofixes of Catholic religious occupations from P106 to P611 are fundamental to keep our modeling coherent and I strongly oppose removing them. For more context about the issue of inconsistent modeling, you can see Wikidata:Events/Data Quality Days 2022/Modeling data (and the imminent Wikidata:Events/Data Modelling Days 2023). Of course if you disagree with my view we can discuss how to improve our modeling of religious occupations in a different way without both falling into inconsisntent modeling or redundant modeling; I think that such discussions are very much beneficial for our data quality. --Epìdosis 14:49, 8 November 2023 (UTC)