Property talk:P119
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location of grave, resting place, place of ash-scattering, etc. (e.g., town/city or cemetery) for a person or animal. There may be several places: e.g., re-burials, parts of body buried separately.
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P119#Type Q5, Q95074, Q16334295, Q622852, Q21070598, Q502931, Q36341, Q57812611, Q199414, Q3409626, Q26401003, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P119#Value type Q618123, Q16859021, Q3895768, Q82794, Q48634, Q6023295, Q39614, Q630013, Q3024240, Q6256, Q567603, Q62077203, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P119#Target required claim P131, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P119#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P119#Item P570, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P119#none of, SPARQL
Replacement property:
Replacement values: (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P119#Entity types
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P119#Scope, SPARQL
for value, prefer cemetery or city (Help)
Violations query:
SELECT ?item ?location { ?item wdt:P119 ?location. ?location wdt:P31 wd:Q6465. } ORDER BY ?location
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P119#Department of France
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Violations query:
SELECT ?item ?P31 { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P31 wd:Q162875. # 893 ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q5. # * tmp * MINUS { ?item p:P97 ?a } MINUS { ?item p:P53 ?aa } # 527 MINUS { ?item p:P106 ?b } # 87 MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P39 ?functionFather } # 57 MINUS { ?item p:P1442 ?b } # 52 FILTER (?item NOT IN ( wd:Q127659, wd:Q128847, wd:Q24718760, wd:Q22684092, wd:Q7251611, wd:Q907283, wd:Q73837267, wd:Q74351108, wd:Q5397784, wd:Q5368394, wd:Q31040989, wd:Q26208914 )) # tmp: exclude new Q127659, Q31040989, todo: Q26208914 MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P119/wdt:P31 wd:Q162875 } # 43, exclude Q541665 MINUS { ?item p:P535 ?c } # 40, exclude Q64091692 OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P31 ?P31 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P26/wdt:P39 ?functionConjoint } # 29, exclude Q33673045 MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 ?function } # 25, exclude Q12709862 MINUS { ?item wdt:P40/wdt:P39 ?functionChild } # exclude : "mother of Jiajing Emperor" (Q8254570) MINUS { ?item p:P166 ?d } # 13 MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P1442 ?i } # 10, exclude: Q19521611 MINUS { ?item wdt:P119 wd:Q3893448 } # 8, exclude: Q3660093 MINUS { ?item wdt:P119 wd:Q994694 } # national, exclude: Q17632550 MINUS { ?item wdt:P140 ?religion } # * quick * MINUS { ?item wdt:P40/wdt:P119/wdt:P31 wd:Q162875 } # to exclude Q6381943 }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P119#Check important persons
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Violations query:
SELECT DISTINCT ?item ?died { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q162875. # 893 ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q5. # * tmp * MINUS { ?item p:P53 ?aa } # 527 #MINUS { ?item p:P106 ?b } # 87 ; bien pratique :/ MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P39 ?functionFather } # 57 MINUS { ?item p:P1442 ?b } # 52, bien pratique MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P119/wdt:P31 wd:Q162875 } # 43, exclude Q541665 ** duplicate code: Q162875 ** MINUS { ?item p:P535 ?c } # 40, exclude Q64091692 MINUS { ?item wdt:P26/wdt:P39 ?functionConjoint } # 29, exclude Q33673045 MINUS { ?item wdt:P40/wdt:P39 ?functionChild } # exclude : "mother of Jiajing Emperor" (Q8254570) MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P1442 ?i } # 10, exclude: Q19521611, -1 MINUS { ?item wdt:P140 wd:Q432 } # religion, -4 MINUS { ?item wdt:P40/wdt:P119/wdt:P31 wd:Q162875 } # to exclude Q6381943 MINUS { VALUES ?columbarium { wd:Q3006253 wd:Q17364144 wd:Q10918978 wd:Q3893448 wd:Q994694 wd:Q7231495 }. # Q10918978: tombe de lui meme ?item wdt:P119 ?columbarium. } MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P97 wd:Q273613 } ?item wdt:P119 ?died. # **tmp** MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279* wd:Q116 } # monarque MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279* wd:Q15995642 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P106 wd:Q23833535 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q3409212 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P97 [] } MINUS { ?item wdt:P410 wd:Q83460 } FILTER (?item NOT IN (wd:Q3611140, wd:Q26208914, wd:Q562417, wd:Q6057440, wd:Q10558979, wd:Q7788340, wd:Q3357599, wd:Q2226355, wd:Q6111001, wd:Q991533)) # wd:Q26208914 cousine de ?item wdt:P106 []. # occupation MINUS { ?item wdt:P106 wd:Q372436 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P1411 ?nommePour } # exclude Q329254 MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q175240 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 ?fonction } MINUS { ?item wdt:P106 wd:Q131524 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P106 wd:Q2095549 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P802 ?eleve } MINUS { ?item wdt:P509 wd:Q81672 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P106 wd:Q3242115 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P19 wd:Q8356 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P410 [] } # grade militaire MINUS { ?item wdt:P800 [] } # oeuvre notable MINUS { ?item wdt:P2002 [] } # TODO: count followers of Q494996 MINUS { ?item wdt:P119 wd:Q5574219 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P106 wd:Q43845 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P825 ?item } MINUS { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P2025 [] } MINUS { ?item wdt:P509 [] } # quick MINUS { ?item wdt:P1196 [] } # quick MINUS { ?item wdt:P140 [] } # quick MINUS { ?item wdt:P106 wd:Q49757 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P20 wd:Q8356 } }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P119#Check important persons # 2
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Violations query:
SELECT DISTINCT ?item { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q162875; wdt:P31 wd:Q5. MINUS { ?item p:P53 [] } # 527 #MINUS { ?item p:P106 ?b } # 87 ; bien pratique :/ MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P39 ?functionFather } # 57 MINUS { ?item p:P1442 ?b } # 52, bien pratique MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P119/wdt:P31 wd:Q162875 } # 43, exclude Q541665 ** duplicate code: Q162875 ** MINUS { ?item wdt:P26/wdt:P39 ?functionConjoint } # 29, exclude Q33673045 MINUS { ?item wdt:P40/wdt:P39 ?functionChild } # exclude : "mother of Jiajing Emperor" (Q8254570) MINUS { VALUES ?columbarium { wd:Q3006253 wd:Q17364144 wd:Q10918978 wd:Q3893448 wd:Q994694 wd:Q7231495 wd:Q46700479 }. # Q10918978: tombe de lui meme ?item wdt:P119 ?columbarium. } MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P97 wd:Q273613 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279* wd:Q116 } # monarque MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279* wd:Q15995642 } MINUS { VALUES ?occupations { wd:Q23833535 wd:Q372436 wd:Q131524 wd:Q2095549 wd:Q49757 } ?item wdt:P106 ?occupations } # occupation: MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q3409212 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P97 [] } FILTER (?item NOT IN (wd:Q6111001, wd:Q991533, wd:Q29173739, wd:Q64091692, wd:Q1441740)) #?item wdt:P106 []. # occupation MINUS { ?item wdt:P1411 ?nommePour } # exclude Q329254 MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q175240 } #MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 ?fonction } # -4 MINUS { ?item wdt:P802 [] } # eleve MINUS { ?item wdt:P509 wd:Q81672 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P106 wd:Q3242115 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P19 wd:Q8356 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P20 wd:Q8356 } #MINUS { ?item wdt:P410 wd:Q83460 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P410 [] } # grade militaire MINUS { ?item wdt:P800 [] } # oeuvre notable MINUS { ?item wdt:P2002 [] } # TODO: count followers of Q494996 MINUS { ?item wdt:P119 wd:Q5574219 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P106 wd:Q43845 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P825 ?item } MINUS { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P2025 [] } MINUS { ?item wdt:P509 [] } # quick MINUS { ?item wdt:P1196 [] } # quick MINUS { ?item wdt:P140 [] } # quick MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P31 wd:Q294414 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q7636765 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P27 wd:Q156418 } #MINUS { ?item p:P535 ?c } # 40, exclude Q64091692 ?item wdt:P535 ?c. # find A grave id MINUS { ?item wdt:P166/wdt:P31 wd:Q1046088 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P734 wd:Q669368 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P166 wd:Q1313340 } }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P119#Check important persons # 3
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Violations query:
SELECT DISTINCT ?item { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q162875; wdt:P31 wd:Q5. MINUS { ?item p:P53 [] } MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P39 ?functionFather } # pere ayant une fonction, ** large ** MINUS { ?item p:P1442 ?b } # 52, bien pratique, image de la tombe MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P119/wdt:P31 wd:Q162875 } # 43, exclude Q541665 ** duplicate code: Q162875 ** MINUS { ?item wdt:P26/wdt:P39 ?functionConjoint } # 29, exclude Q33673045 MINUS { ?item wdt:P40/wdt:P39 ?functionChild } # exclude : "mother of Jiajing Emperor" (Q8254570) MINUS { VALUES ?columbarium { wd:Q3006253 wd:Q17364144 wd:Q10918978 wd:Q3893448 wd:Q994694 wd:Q7231495 wd:Q46700479 wd:Q5574219 }. # Q10918978: tombe de lui meme ?item wdt:P119 ?columbarium. } MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P97 wd:Q273613 } # titre de noblesse du pere MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279* wd:Q116 } # monarque MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279* wd:Q15995642 } # pere chef religieux MINUS { VALUES ?occupations { wd:Q23833535 wd:Q372436 wd:Q131524 wd:Q2095549 wd:Q49757 wd:Q3242115 wd:Q43845 } ?item wdt:P106 ?occupations } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q3409212 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q175240 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q7636765 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P97 [] } MINUS { ?item wdt:P1411 [] } # exclude Q329254 MINUS { ?item wdt:P802 [] } # eleve MINUS { ?item wdt:P509 wd:Q81672 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P19 wd:Q8356 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P20 wd:Q8356 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P410 [] } # grade militaire, wd:Q83460 MINUS { ?item wdt:P800 [] } # oeuvre notable MINUS { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P825 ?item } MINUS { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P2025 [] } MINUS { ?item wdt:P1196 [] } # quick MINUS { ?item wdt:P140 [] } # quick MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P31 wd:Q294414 } # qui a une fonction publique MINUS { ?item wdt:P27 wd:Q156418 } # nationalité particulière #MINUS { ?item p:P535 ?c } # 40, exclude Q64091692 MINUS { ?item wdt:P166/wdt:P31 wd:Q1046088 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P734 wd:Q669368 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P166 wd:Q1313340 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P166/wdt:P361 wd:Q163700 } FILTER (?item NOT IN (wd:Q6111001, wd:Q991533, wd:Q29173739, wd:Q64091692, wd:Q1441740, wd:Q2226355)) }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P119#Check important persons # 4
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Violations query:
SELECT DISTINCT ?item { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q162875; wdt:P31 wd:Q5. MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P39 ?functionFather } # pere ayant une fonction, ** large ** #MINUS { ?item p:P1442 ?b } # 52, bien pratique, image de la tombe MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P119/wdt:P31 wd:Q162875 } # 43, exclude Q541665 ** duplicate code: Q162875 ** MINUS { ?item wdt:P26/wdt:P39 ?functionConjoint } # 29, exclude Q33673045 MINUS { ?item wdt:P40/wdt:P39 ?functionChild } # exclude : "mother of Jiajing Emperor" (Q8254570) MINUS { VALUES ?columbarium { wd:Q3006253 wd:Q17364144 wd:Q10918978 wd:Q3893448 wd:Q994694 wd:Q7231495 wd:Q46700479 wd:Q5574219 }. # Q10918978: tombe de lui meme ?item wdt:P119 ?columbarium. } MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P97 wd:Q273613 } # titre de noblesse du pere MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279* wd:Q116 } # monarque MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279* wd:Q15995642 } # pere chef religieux MINUS { VALUES ?occupations { wd:Q23833535 wd:Q372436 wd:Q131524 wd:Q2095549 wd:Q49757 wd:Q3242115 wd:Q43845 } ?item wdt:P106 ?occupations } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q3409212 } # fonctions MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q175240 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q7636765 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q477406 } #MINUS { ?item wdt:P97 [] } # titre de noblesse MINUS { ?item wdt:P802 [] } # eleve MINUS { ?item wdt:P509 wd:Q81672 } MINUS { VALUES ?bornOrDied { wdt:P19 wdt:P20 }. ?item ?bornOrDied wd:Q8356 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P410 [] } # grade militaire, wd:Q83460 MINUS { ?item wdt:P800 [] } # oeuvre notable MINUS { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P825 ?item } MINUS { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P2025 [] } #MINUS { ?item wdt:P1196 [] } # quick MINUS { ?item wdt:P140 [] } # quick MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P31 wd:Q294414 } # qui a une fonction publique MINUS { ?item wdt:P27 wd:Q156418 } # nationalité particulière MINUS { ?item wdt:P166/wdt:P31 wd:Q1046088 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P166 wd:Q1313340 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P166/wdt:P361 wd:Q163700 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P734 wd:Q669368 } # nom de famille MINUS { VALUES ?family { wd:Q2025037 wd:Q645719 wd:Q852111 wd:Q210398 wd:Q727118 wd:Q7107138 wd:Q112707 wd:Q3394207 wd:Q155616 }. ?item wdt:P53 ?family. } MINUS { ?item p:P1045 [] } # Jaures, todo: Q12688 element à revoir ; -4 MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279* wd:Q2285706 } # exclude Q379779 ; -3 FILTER (?item != wd:Q562417) # article de qualité fawiki MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q17014422 } FILTER (?item != wd:Q2893913) MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q3025636 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279 wd:Q132050 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P97 wd:Q719039 } FILTER (?item NOT IN (wd:Q6111001, wd:Q991533, wd:Q29173739, wd:Q64091692, wd:Q1441740, wd:Q2226355, wd:Q3260829, wd:Q5795869, wd:Q3611140, wd:Q634348, wd:Q12579341, wd:Q837818)) }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P119#Check important persons # 5
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Violations query:
SELECT DISTINCT ?item { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q162875; wdt:P31 wd:Q5. MINUS { VALUES ?functionFather { wd:Q48352 wd:Q116 } ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P39/wdt:P279* ?functionFather } # pere ayant une fonction, ** large ** #MINUS { ?item p:P1442 ?b } # 52, bien pratique, image de la tombe MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P119/wdt:P31 wd:Q162875 } # 43, exclude Q541665 ** duplicate code: Q162875 ** MINUS { ?item wdt:P26/wdt:P39 ?functionConjoint } # 29, exclude Q33673045 MINUS { ?item wdt:P40/wdt:P39 ?functionChild } # exclude : "mother of Jiajing Emperor" (Q8254570) MINUS { VALUES ?columbarium { wd:Q3006253 wd:Q17364144 wd:Q10918978 wd:Q3893448 wd:Q994694 wd:Q7231495 wd:Q46700479 wd:Q5574219 wd:Q55315655 wd:Q14704463 wd:Q1437214 }. # Q10918978: tombe de lui meme ?item wdt:P119 ?columbarium. } MINUS { ?item wdt:P22/wdt:P97 wd:Q273613 } # titre de noblesse du pere MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279* wd:Q116 } # monarque MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279* wd:Q15995642 } # pere chef religieux MINUS { VALUES ?occupations { wd:Q23833535 wd:Q372436 wd:Q131524 wd:Q2095549 wd:Q49757 wd:Q3242115 wd:Q43845 } ?item wdt:P106 ?occupations } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q3409212 } # fonctions MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q175240 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q7636765 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q477406 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q744514 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q4416090 } # senateur US MINUS { ?item wdt:P802 [] } # eleve MINUS { ?item wdt:P509 wd:Q81672 } MINUS { VALUES ?bornOrDied { wdt:P19 wdt:P20 }. ?item ?bornOrDied wd:Q8356 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P410 [] } # grade militaire, wd:Q83460 MINUS { ?item wdt:P800 [] } # oeuvre notable MINUS { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P825 ?item } #MINUS { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P2025 [] } #MINUS { ?item wdt:P1196 [] } # quick MINUS { ?item wdt:P140 [] } # quick MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P31 wd:Q294414 } # qui a une fonction publique MINUS { ?item wdt:P27 wd:Q156418 } # nationalité particulière MINUS { ?item wdt:P166/wdt:P31 wd:Q1046088 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P166 wd:Q1313340 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P166/wdt:P361 wd:Q163700 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P166 wd:Q17985761 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P166 wd:Q166177 } # foot MINUS { ?item wdt:P734 wd:Q669368 } # nom de famille MINUS { VALUES ?family { wd:Q2025037 wd:Q645719 wd:Q852111 wd:Q210398 wd:Q727118 wd:Q7107138 wd:Q112707 wd:Q3394207 wd:Q155616 wd:Q700158 }. ?item wdt:P53 ?family. } MINUS { ?item p:P1045 [] } # Jaures, todo: Q12688 element à revoir ; -4 MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279* wd:Q2285706 } # exclude Q379779 ; -3 FILTER (?item != wd:Q562417) # article de qualité fawiki MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q17014422 } FILTER (?item != wd:Q2893913) MINUS { ?item wdt:P39 wd:Q3025636 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P39/wdt:P279 wd:Q132050 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P97 wd:Q719039 } MINUS { ?item wdt:P97 wd:Q863048 } # princesse MINUS { ?item wdt:P20 ?deathPlace. ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P276 ?deathPlace } # exclude Q66024969 FILTER (?item NOT IN (wd:Q6111001, wd:Q991533, wd:Q29173739, wd:Q64091692, wd:Q1441740, wd:Q2226355, wd:Q3260829, wd:Q5795869, wd:Q3611140, wd:Q634348, wd:Q12579341, wd:Q837818)) }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P119#Check important persons # 6
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Violations query:
SELECT ?item ?value ?subject_death ?value_dissolution { ?item wdt:P119 ?value; p:P570/psv:P570 [ wikibase:timeValue ?subject_death ; wikibase:timePrecision "11"^^xsd:integer ]. ?value p:P576/psv:P576 [ wikibase:timeValue ?value_dissolution ; wikibase:timePrecision "11"^^xsd:integer ]. FILTER (?subject_death > ?value_dissolution). ?value wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q39614. }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P119#Simple contemporary constraint
human (Q5) (Help)
Violations query:
SELECT ?item { ?item wdt:P119/wdt:P31 wd:Q5 . }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P119#Mistake: Human
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Add tomb space to value-type constraint
editI think tomb space (Q56054752) should be added to the list of class (P2308) qualifiers on the value-type constraint (Q21510865) Danysan1 (talk) 21:09, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Grave vs cemetery as a property value
editI have read Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2022/09 about this topic and I agree that the value must be the grave (hypogeum, burial vault, mausoleum, et al.) when it has an specific item, as @Tagishsimon, @Multichill & @ChristianKl well explained.
Now, we have a new wrong structure with two values for property: the cemetery & the grave, most of them located in Père Lachaise Cemetery (Q311). You can see the 16k cases https://w.wiki/A7qG (some of them are correct, because are moved burials). I changed the first cases I found to P119= grave item + qualif. P276= cemetery. I know this qualifier is not strickly required, but is a "soft change" for those users that were using the previous structure.
My question is should we migrate all of them to the correct structure?. Could it generate a editions war? How to inform about changed to avoid it ?.
Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 05:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging the people who actually created the claims is always a good idea when debating a lot of data changed by them. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 07:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
@Sporti, Danysan1, Alexandronikos:, may you, please, participate?. Thank you. Amadalvarez (talk) 21:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- 5000+ of those items in Père-Lachaise have both the cemetery and the grave because of my edits described in commons:Commons talk:WikiProject Père-Lachaise Cemetery.
- Basically the entities for the graves had already been created but the people's entities used to have only place of burial (P119) Père Lachaise Cemetery (Q311) with the Commons category of the grave as Commons category (P373) qualifier. Given that, it was relatively easy to find for each grave's Commons category the linked grave entity and link it through P119 as well.
- The statements to the cemetery however have others useful qualifiers that should be kept (like burial plot reference (P965), start time (P580), end time (P582), and other listed in this query: https://w.wiki/A94C), so I preferred to add the new P119 statement (linking to the grave) without deleting the old one (linking to the cemetery, with the qualifiers).
- If you have in mind a way to delete the old cemetery statements without losing the information in the qualifiers, I am in favor of deleting them. Danysan1 (talk) 07:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Danysan1.
- I saw your batch and it is a work to preserve, of course.
- The reason to be here is double:
- P119 multivalues are used to indicate moving the remains from one place to another, or when remains are splitted in two places at same time (body-heart, or ashes in +1 place are usual)
- P119 description indicates that must be "Most specific location possible", as ussualy happen in similar properties with geographically values. The examples in property definition for Tomb of Paracelsus (Q19971847) and KV16 (Q2634186) are clear.
- In addition, but not included in original chat mentioned, several entries has as a multivalue or qualifier geographical values regarding higger levels of location, as city, region or country.
- Then, my suggestion is:
- use as P119 value only the most specific (known) place, be it grave, cemetery, city, region, etc.
- maintain or add qualifiers related to linking P119 to person, not for values that are properties of P119 value itself and would be redundants.
- At this point, we need to discuss and agree on when to accept an exception so that it is useful or performance to go back and forth between items (ex.:commons category, location, etc.).
- also, we should decide if grave item must have occupant (P466).
- Decide a migration plan to avoid problems on running users, as WP infoboxes.
- Thanks for your suggestions. Amadalvarez (talk) 06:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)